Marine Le Pen banned from running for public office after guilty verdict
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Good. In my country, a former PM who embezzled 1.6B is on the verge of being set free, with little in the way of jail time, while a construction worker who stole a loaf of bread got 40 years. Wtf.
40 years for a loaf of bread?
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I don't know how politicaly motivated the harshness of the judgment was (and not in a "the politics in power wanted her gone", more in a "the judiciary system realised shit is hitting the fan between US crazyness and Russian influence and decided to take a step and make an example") but the evidence were damming.
Proof is: the defense didn't even try to fight the evidence, rather the interpretation of it and the harshness of the sentence.
Another point to keep in mind: an ex president is being judged for corruption and the sentence requested by the DA is enormous.
Apparently the judiciary system publicly told they wanted to put an end to a perceived leniency on the politics and regain public trust.I'm just afraid this will result in an opposite effect.
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40 years for a loaf of bread?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-spent-36-years-prison-stealing-50-bakery/story?id=65264675
I was wondering if this was the case? Apparently it was because it was a fourth offense and the law was strict about sentencing no matter what.
Which is a thing I find utter bullshit BTW. No crime that petty should be punished that bad.
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Funnily enough, when the law was introduced a few years ago, her party wanted the penalty to be lifelong ineligibility. They are probably happy it's 5 years, now.
Nah, always projection. Who would expect them to commit fraud if they wanted life long ineligibility?
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-spent-36-years-prison-stealing-50-bakery/story?id=65264675
I was wondering if this was the case? Apparently it was because it was a fourth offense and the law was strict about sentencing no matter what.
Which is a thing I find utter bullshit BTW. No crime that petty should be punished that bad.
At least he wasn't a slave for 20 years.
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It's not whataboutism if it's on the same topic. I just raised a very real example where this is problematic.
In the near future, I bet we will see the same in America.
And what in this is false equivalency? We're talking about banning criminals from elections, right?
Imma just point and laugh at you now cuz you are either dumb enough to beileve what you are saying or you are a troll
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At least he wasn't a slave for 20 years.
To be fair in those days it was hanging (at least in Britain) for just about everything...
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Imma just point and laugh at you now cuz you are either dumb enough to beileve what you are saying or you are a troll
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Very mature
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Ok, but in general so can any organisation/institution become corrupted. So can your local authority or the upper management of where you work or the local school board or the organisers of your favourite activity club.
Your statement is tantamount to saying "corruption exists and is bad". Well yeah, it has since people put a name to greed.
Its good to keep an eye out for it, but unless there's growing evidence for the case that French courts have been corrupted, like how there's now a mountain's worth for the US supreme court, then it's not being skeptical it's being very cynical.
Finally someone who actually wants a debate.
I agree that it's not a problem until it is a problem. I think we differ in the way we are vigilant about defending the core of democracy.
Open elections, free speech and free press are very important to defend, even if you happen to dislike the person in question. I'd rather defend free speech of a person I hate than slowly carving away at it, one "victory" at a time. If one person doesn't have free speech, there is no free speech left.
I see it the same with elections. If anyone can be barred from running in an election, the election isn't open anymore.
I don't see it as skeptical versus cynical. Maybe in your eyes. What I've seen lately though is that democracy can be over very quickly, or in a way that no one can stop, even if you can see the signs. Look at USA right now, it's been going down hill for a while now but most people are realizing too late to do anything.
I'm not here to discuss France or their politics because I know nothing about it, nor about Le Pen. People seem to go very much into "it's fine for now in France".
It's fine until it isn't.
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The French justice system wins and the USA fails.
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Worse than that would be justified.
After the January 6th insurrection he should have been hanged for treason.
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Yep but that's what Putin also says before throwing people in jail.
Courts can be corrupted and if that happens, an open election is the last chance before full dictatorship ensues.
Except in her case, it’s been proved that she’s been embezzling. Your argument makes no sense, you’re comparing two completely different situations.
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Except in her case, it’s been proved that she’s been embezzling. Your argument makes no sense, you’re comparing two completely different situations.
I'm definitely not saying Le Pen is innocent.
Navalny was found guilty of multiple crimes. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/04/russian-court-extends-alexei-navalny-sentence-in-penal-colony
Being charged a criminal is subject to the court system and if that ever gets corrupted, democracy is over.
Many people here say that it's not the same in France; that the French court system has no evidence of corruption. I agree. I prefer to have laws in place before they are needed, rather than too late.
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I guess Germany is fascist for banning the nazi party then?
It's problematic at least. The Communist party is also banned in Germany.
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