Are people in the US aware that they are now definitely a rogue state, or is this fact simply covered up by the usual patriotism?
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For starters, understanding that American fascism is not the result of voters simply not being informed enough. The idea that, if all Trump supporters simply had access to better information, if they all had better education, if they were exposed to the right argument... then they'd see the light and turn into democrats - is a supremely liberal idea. We need to understand that no amount of epic slams, no amount of late night talk show roasts, no amount of facts and logic will steer us out of fascism.
As we devolve deeper and deeper into fascism, it has been frustrating watching liberals flail to try and understand how the devolution is happening: is it because people are uneducated? Is it because of Joe Rogan's podcasts? Is it because of Russian spies? Is it because Trump has started a cult? Is it because lead was used in gasoline 50 years ago? Is it because we use lead water pipes? Is it because of Ronald Reagan? All of this waffling to avoid the hard questions. I.e, "is it possible that fascism is the only logical conclusion a nation which was founded solely by white landowners to do wholesale on genocide on native Americans?"
If you fail to start thinking about this devolution into fascism in terms of history, class, and material conditions, you're always going to be hopelessly confused about the structures and frameworks that allow fascism to fester.
If you're really going to sit here and pretend that none of the things I mentioned play a clear and obvious role in our current situation, I don't even know where to start with you.
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There was never a point in US history that it was not a rogue state. If you believe there’s a period it wasn’t, you simply do not know enough history about the time period you’re referring to.
[…] now that the US is directing their usual behavior towards white Europeans.
That's nothing new, that's happened before.
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Mass strikes. Call your union, other unions, whatever union. Organise a mass strike day. Repeat it every week.
Call your union
90% of Americans have failed at this step. That's not a joke or hyperbole, less than 10% of Americans have membership to a labor union.
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If you're really going to sit here and pretend that none of the things I mentioned play a clear and obvious role in our current situation, I don't even know where to start with you.
Strawman. Never did I say that the things you mentioned dont play a role in facilitating fascism.
Poor education, MIC, captured media, sure... all of these things facilitate fascism.
My point is that your analysis does not get at the heart of how fascism arises or why america is going full throated fascist in recent years. Why do we have poor education? Why do we have a bloated MIC? Why has our mainstream media been captured? Why is conservatism increasingly in fashion?
You're not going to get to the heart of these questions by ignoring class. You'll especially fail to answer these questions if you just blame some nebulous concept of "conservatism" wholesale. Youve correctly identified the symptoms, but you still need to take the next step w/ class-based, material analysis.
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Y'all still have bread and circuses?
Or Twinkies and Kardashians, or whatever other modern distraction from class consciousness used to drown out the sound of blood on the gears.
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We know. We hate it.
This is correct
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Or Twinkies and Kardashians, or whatever other modern distraction from class consciousness used to drown out the sound of blood on the gears.
but, the circuses streaming service doubled their price, and costco is out of bread,
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Y'all still have bread and circuses?
My gay friends are all like "Oh boy I can't wait to eat at Chic Fil E", my Latina friends are all like... "I have a last mine Quince coming up... I have to get a dress. Gonna shop Amazon", and my black friends are like "I've boycotted long enough. Going to shop at Target."
We definitely deserve what we get, here. We realllly do.
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What human rights do we restrict?
You must be male, white, and a US citizen, I assume ... and you are obviously ill-informed.
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There was never a point in US history that it was not a rogue state. If you believe there’s a period it wasn’t, you simply do not know enough history about the time period you’re referring to.
That's why I wrote "...now definitely a rouge state". Not that there was much of a question before but now it should be obvious even to US-citizens.
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Nope, because most US voters never crossed their county line.
All politics is local
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Thanks for the question lemmy.ml
Is your solution still to try and discourage people from voting? Or have we fully transitioned into, continue to blame Biden even though he hasn't been President since you all helped get Trump elected?
Ah yes, the usual patriotism...
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We’re aware. People who get all their news from Fox or ignore politics in general probably aren’t but even my conservative family members are embarrassed about the threats to Canada and Greenland. Canadians are generally considered super nice and polite by Americans so pissing then off crossed a line.
There’s elections in several states today that will provide some data to know more. Louisiana had an election on Saturday and rejected 4 constitutional amendments supported by Republicans. None even got 40%. Louisiana is an oddball state so I’m not sure it’s a harbinger of today’s elections but if voters in Wisconsin and elsewhere vote like Louisiana, it’ll be very telling.
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Those of us who aren't Team Orange or completely oblivious know, I think. An appalling number of people are completely disconnected from what's happening, and a disgusting number either don't care or love it.
I lost the last shred of faith I had in the American people with this election. I delight in the suffering of every shithead that either voted Trump, 3rd party, or not at all. ESPECIALLY the protest voters, conservative minorities, and rural idiots stupid enough to think Trump cared about them or was somehow a better because they didn't like something the Biden administration did. My schadenfreude levels are hitting new, bitter peaks there.
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Any way you look at it, it's broken.
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In the Los Angeles Mexican community no one is fucking aware. In the Chicago black community no one is fucking aware. I'm sick of the people in this shit hole. They are happy as long as they have their bread and circus, no matter what.
Same from my view. No one cares or understands. No one talks about this stuff. And if they do it's the same useless sound bite drama talk that's been meaningless for the past 15 years. Just entertainment.
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So to be clear, you believe Jill Stein voters to be representative of the ones "doing jack shit"? Am I understanding you correctly?
Anyone who didn't think genocide was an entirely negotiable part of the platform/a wedge issue nuisance, basically. There were some Jill Stein voters there, some PSL voters, some non voters who are otherwise politically active.
I've yet to see democrat leadership organizing for a general strike or advocating for civil disobedience, unlike those others mentioned.
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I see the American media as softballing fascism, or they're just outright complicit.
No one will call shit what it is, and every fucking thing in the news needs to be both-sides-ed.
This doesn't help with the less educated grasping these basic concepts, nor does the massive stigmatization of intelligence and critical thinking, nor does the attacks on institutional education.
There's laws constantly being passed in the form of 'vouchers' to drain public school funds and funnel American kids into Christian indoctrination, and our public schools are now dramatically underfunded.
So I guess I understand why more than half the population just straight up ignores politics. because reality here is really depressing.
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You must be male, white, and a US citizen, I assume ... and you are obviously ill-informed.
I'm female. And I'm not ill informed. Love to know what human rights we suppress.
