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Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Striking Motorcyclists More Than Any Other Brand: New Analysis

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  • 0 [email protected]

    This is news? Fortnine talked about it two years ago.

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    It could be two motorcycles side by side.

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      Lidar needs to be a mandated requirement for these systems.

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      Honestly, emergency braking with LIDAR is mature and cheap enough at this point that is should be mandated for all new cars.

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      • kayleadfoot@fedia.ioK [email protected]

        TL;DR: Self-Driving Teslas Rear-End Motorcyclists, Killing at Least 5

        Brevity is the spirit of wit, and I am just not that witty. This is a long article, here is the gist of it:

        • The NHTSA’s self-driving crash data reveals that Tesla’s self-driving technology is, by far, the most dangerous for motorcyclists, with five fatal crashes that we know of.
        • This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities with the NHTSA in the same time frame.
        • The crashes are overwhelmingly Teslas rear-ending motorcyclists.

        Read our full analysis as we go case-by-case and connect the heavily redacted government data to news reports and police documents.

        Oh, and read our thoughts about what this means for the robotaxi launch that is slated for Austin in less than 60 days.

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        #34

        Why is self-driving even allowed?

        K underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU B rivalarrival@lemmy.todayR N 5 Replies Last reply
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        • lnxtx@feddit.nlL [email protected]

          Stop dehumanizing drivers who killed people.
          Feature, wrongly called, Full Self-Driving, shall be supervised at any time.

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          If you’re going to say your car has “full self driving”, it should have that, not “full self driving (but needs monitoring.)” or “full self driving (but it disconnects 2 seconds before impact.)”.

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            P.S. Volunteers needed for the Mars mission as well.

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            #36

            News on the first mission: Meteoroid crashes into full flying SpaceX rocket, killing all aboard.

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              Tesla's argument of "well human eyes are like cameras therefore we shouldn't use LiDAR" is so fucking dumb.

              Human eyes have good depth perception and absolutely exceptional dynamic range and focusing ability. They also happen to be linked up to a rapid and highly efficient super computer far outclassing anything that humanity has ever devised, certainly more so than any computer added to a car.

              And even with all those advantages humans have, we still crash from time to time and make smaller mistakes regularly.

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              They also happen to be linked up to a rapid and highly efficient super computer far outclassing anything that humanity has ever devised

              A neural network that has been in development for 650 million years.

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                Why is self-driving even allowed?

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                Because muh freedum, EU are a bunch of commies for not allowing this awesome innovation on their roads

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                • kayleadfoot@fedia.ioK [email protected]

                  TL;DR: Self-Driving Teslas Rear-End Motorcyclists, Killing at Least 5

                  Brevity is the spirit of wit, and I am just not that witty. This is a long article, here is the gist of it:

                  • The NHTSA’s self-driving crash data reveals that Tesla’s self-driving technology is, by far, the most dangerous for motorcyclists, with five fatal crashes that we know of.
                  • This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities with the NHTSA in the same time frame.
                  • The crashes are overwhelmingly Teslas rear-ending motorcyclists.

                  Read our full analysis as we go case-by-case and connect the heavily redacted government data to news reports and police documents.

                  Oh, and read our thoughts about what this means for the robotaxi launch that is slated for Austin in less than 60 days.

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                  I'm not sure how that's possible considering no one manufactures self-driving cars that I know of. Certainly not Tesla.

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                    as daily rider, i must add having a tesla behind to the list of road hazards to look out

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                    I'm on mine far more often than I'm in a car. I think Tesla found out that I point and laugh at any cyber trucks I see at red lights while I'm out and is trying to kill me.

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                    • kayleadfoot@fedia.ioK [email protected]

                      TL;DR: Self-Driving Teslas Rear-End Motorcyclists, Killing at Least 5

                      Brevity is the spirit of wit, and I am just not that witty. This is a long article, here is the gist of it:

                      • The NHTSA’s self-driving crash data reveals that Tesla’s self-driving technology is, by far, the most dangerous for motorcyclists, with five fatal crashes that we know of.
                      • This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities with the NHTSA in the same time frame.
                      • The crashes are overwhelmingly Teslas rear-ending motorcyclists.

                      Read our full analysis as we go case-by-case and connect the heavily redacted government data to news reports and police documents.

                      Oh, and read our thoughts about what this means for the robotaxi launch that is slated for Austin in less than 60 days.

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                      Five years ago, you could not have brought this up without Musk simps defending it.

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                        I'll just leave this here.

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                        I had ignored the video, as I didn't expect Mark to expose Tesla

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                          Lidar needs to be a mandated requirement for these systems.

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                          How about we disallow it completely, until it's proven to be SAFER than a human driver. Because, why even allow it if it's only as safe?

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                          • kayleadfoot@fedia.ioK [email protected]

                            TL;DR: Self-Driving Teslas Rear-End Motorcyclists, Killing at Least 5

                            Brevity is the spirit of wit, and I am just not that witty. This is a long article, here is the gist of it:

                            • The NHTSA’s self-driving crash data reveals that Tesla’s self-driving technology is, by far, the most dangerous for motorcyclists, with five fatal crashes that we know of.
                            • This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities with the NHTSA in the same time frame.
                            • The crashes are overwhelmingly Teslas rear-ending motorcyclists.

                            Read our full analysis as we go case-by-case and connect the heavily redacted government data to news reports and police documents.

                            Oh, and read our thoughts about what this means for the robotaxi launch that is slated for Austin in less than 60 days.

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                            Musk = POS Nazi. Who couldn't care less about people being killed by his shit companies.

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                            • 0 [email protected]

                              This is news? Fortnine talked about it two years ago.

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                              It's helpful to remember that not everyone has seen the same stories you have. If we want something to change, like regulators not allowing dangerous products, then raising public awareness is important. Expressing surprise that not everyone knows about something can be counterproductive.

                              Going beyond that, wouldn't the new information here be the statistics?

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                                There's at least two steps before those three:

                                -1. Society has been built around the needs of the auto industry, locking people into car dependency

                                1. A legal system exists in which the people who build, sell and drive cars are not meaningfully liable when the car hurts somebody
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                                • V [email protected]

                                  Why is self-driving even allowed?

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                                  Bribes to local governments and police, mostly.

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                                  • kayleadfoot@fedia.ioK [email protected]

                                    TL;DR: Self-Driving Teslas Rear-End Motorcyclists, Killing at Least 5

                                    Brevity is the spirit of wit, and I am just not that witty. This is a long article, here is the gist of it:

                                    • The NHTSA’s self-driving crash data reveals that Tesla’s self-driving technology is, by far, the most dangerous for motorcyclists, with five fatal crashes that we know of.
                                    • This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities with the NHTSA in the same time frame.
                                    • The crashes are overwhelmingly Teslas rear-ending motorcyclists.

                                    Read our full analysis as we go case-by-case and connect the heavily redacted government data to news reports and police documents.

                                    Oh, and read our thoughts about what this means for the robotaxi launch that is slated for Austin in less than 60 days.

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                                    Every captcha.....can you see the motorcycle? I would be afraid if they wanted all the squares with small babies or maybe just regular folk...can you pick all the hottie's? Which of these are body parts?

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                                      Why is self-driving even allowed?

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                                      Because the march of technological advancement is inevitable?

                                      In light of recent (and let's face it, long ago cases) Tesla's "Full Self Driving" needs to be downgraded to level 2 at best.

                                      Level 2: Partial Automation

                                      The vehicle can handle both steering and acceleration/deceleration, but the driver must remain engaged and ready to take control.

                                      Pretty much the same level as other brands self driving feature.

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                                        News on the first mission: Meteoroid crashes into full flying SpaceX rocket, killing all aboard.

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                                        Not much you can do about a random object strike during launch/re-entry...

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                                        • kayleadfoot@fedia.ioK [email protected]

                                          TL;DR: Self-Driving Teslas Rear-End Motorcyclists, Killing at Least 5

                                          Brevity is the spirit of wit, and I am just not that witty. This is a long article, here is the gist of it:

                                          • The NHTSA’s self-driving crash data reveals that Tesla’s self-driving technology is, by far, the most dangerous for motorcyclists, with five fatal crashes that we know of.
                                          • This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities with the NHTSA in the same time frame.
                                          • The crashes are overwhelmingly Teslas rear-ending motorcyclists.

                                          Read our full analysis as we go case-by-case and connect the heavily redacted government data to news reports and police documents.

                                          Oh, and read our thoughts about what this means for the robotaxi launch that is slated for Austin in less than 60 days.

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                                          Sounds like NHTSA needs a visit from DOGE!

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