We want privacy but not that much
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Am I missing something here?
Yeah, it's reddit, expect nonsense.
Nonsense on Reddit? Makes sense.
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I was posting some comments on Reddit, in the "Privacy" subreddit, about better privacy options than Android or iOS—like GrapheneOS. I just received a message from the bot deleting my posts that mentioned GrapheneOS or other privacy-friendly operating systems. I accept this, since I'm not the owner of the subreddit. But with all due respect, what's the point of having a place to discuss privacy if comments recommending great privacy-focused OS alternatives get deleted? I don’t get it.
It seems like people in that community want privacy, but apparently not enough to have an open discussion about alternatives. Sure, some people might disagree—that's normal in any discussion! Should we stop talking about the NSA because some people support what they do? I doubt anyone would suggest that.
Am I missing something here? Maybe I just don’t understand the reasoning.
That's what happens when something grows too much, at some point moderation is impossible and rules start with one intention but turn into the absurd.
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I was posting some comments on Reddit, in the "Privacy" subreddit, about better privacy options than Android or iOS—like GrapheneOS. I just received a message from the bot deleting my posts that mentioned GrapheneOS or other privacy-friendly operating systems. I accept this, since I'm not the owner of the subreddit. But with all due respect, what's the point of having a place to discuss privacy if comments recommending great privacy-focused OS alternatives get deleted? I don’t get it.
It seems like people in that community want privacy, but apparently not enough to have an open discussion about alternatives. Sure, some people might disagree—that's normal in any discussion! Should we stop talking about the NSA because some people support what they do? I doubt anyone would suggest that.
Am I missing something here? Maybe I just don’t understand the reasoning.
Just ignore Reddit. Pretend it doesn't even exist. It'll go the way of Digg soon enough.
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Just ignore Reddit. Pretend it doesn't even exist. It'll go the way of Digg soon enough.
here's hoping
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I was posting some comments on Reddit, in the "Privacy" subreddit, about better privacy options than Android or iOS—like GrapheneOS. I just received a message from the bot deleting my posts that mentioned GrapheneOS or other privacy-friendly operating systems. I accept this, since I'm not the owner of the subreddit. But with all due respect, what's the point of having a place to discuss privacy if comments recommending great privacy-focused OS alternatives get deleted? I don’t get it.
It seems like people in that community want privacy, but apparently not enough to have an open discussion about alternatives. Sure, some people might disagree—that's normal in any discussion! Should we stop talking about the NSA because some people support what they do? I doubt anyone would suggest that.
Am I missing something here? Maybe I just don’t understand the reasoning.
Is there a lot of drama between mobile OS developers? I'm not really in those circles, I had no idea.
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I was posting some comments on Reddit, in the "Privacy" subreddit, about better privacy options than Android or iOS—like GrapheneOS. I just received a message from the bot deleting my posts that mentioned GrapheneOS or other privacy-friendly operating systems. I accept this, since I'm not the owner of the subreddit. But with all due respect, what's the point of having a place to discuss privacy if comments recommending great privacy-focused OS alternatives get deleted? I don’t get it.
It seems like people in that community want privacy, but apparently not enough to have an open discussion about alternatives. Sure, some people might disagree—that's normal in any discussion! Should we stop talking about the NSA because some people support what they do? I doubt anyone would suggest that.
Am I missing something here? Maybe I just don’t understand the reasoning.
I kinda get why the GrapheneOS developers don't want their product discussed on reddit: Imagine you're searching for a problem with GrapheneOS and the only thing popping up is a Reddit thread. They don't want their users having to go there as the "only" option to get their problem fixed
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I kinda get why the GrapheneOS developers don't want their product discussed on reddit: Imagine you're searching for a problem with GrapheneOS and the only thing popping up is a Reddit thread. They don't want their users having to go there as the "only" option to get their problem fixed
Yeah this is a based af reason for comment removal
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I kinda get why the GrapheneOS developers don't want their product discussed on reddit: Imagine you're searching for a problem with GrapheneOS and the only thing popping up is a Reddit thread. They don't want their users having to go there as the "only" option to get their problem fixed
Posts from Lemmy do come up with searching, at least on DDG, so the best thing people can do is stop adding reddit at the end of a parameter and start adding lemmy
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I was posting some comments on Reddit, in the "Privacy" subreddit, about better privacy options than Android or iOS—like GrapheneOS. I just received a message from the bot deleting my posts that mentioned GrapheneOS or other privacy-friendly operating systems. I accept this, since I'm not the owner of the subreddit. But with all due respect, what's the point of having a place to discuss privacy if comments recommending great privacy-focused OS alternatives get deleted? I don’t get it.
It seems like people in that community want privacy, but apparently not enough to have an open discussion about alternatives. Sure, some people might disagree—that's normal in any discussion! Should we stop talking about the NSA because some people support what they do? I doubt anyone would suggest that.
Am I missing something here? Maybe I just don’t understand the reasoning.
To be honest, the explanation given in the screenshot makes sense. Whilst it's frustrating, if the mods have had past problems with arguments over OSes (and there are dedicated subs for them), I can somewhat understand the reason for the rule.
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Is there a lot of drama between mobile OS developers? I'm not really in those circles, I had no idea.
I do remember a Moderator from the subreddit saying exactly that. Apparently "a certain" ROM's community was very vocal about their preference and provoked heated debates to a point where it was too much effort to moderate manually.
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I kinda get why the GrapheneOS developers don't want their product discussed on reddit: Imagine you're searching for a problem with GrapheneOS and the only thing popping up is a Reddit thread. They don't want their users having to go there as the "only" option to get their problem fixed
They don't like platforms where they can't censor dissent. Thats the reason they dont like Reddit.
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I was posting some comments on Reddit, in the "Privacy" subreddit, about better privacy options than Android or iOS—like GrapheneOS. I just received a message from the bot deleting my posts that mentioned GrapheneOS or other privacy-friendly operating systems. I accept this, since I'm not the owner of the subreddit. But with all due respect, what's the point of having a place to discuss privacy if comments recommending great privacy-focused OS alternatives get deleted? I don’t get it.
It seems like people in that community want privacy, but apparently not enough to have an open discussion about alternatives. Sure, some people might disagree—that's normal in any discussion! Should we stop talking about the NSA because some people support what they do? I doubt anyone would suggest that.
Am I missing something here? Maybe I just don’t understand the reasoning.
Doesn't the message you received basically say the graphene devs don't want it discussed in /r/privacy ?
If I were involved in a project with any sort of following I wouldn't want it discussed in a large, general, subreddit either. If it is, you either need to engage with people there to minimise any misinformation, or you just have to let people spread nonsense about your product.
That said, asking why /r/privacy exists when the devs of privacy-related projects don't want to participate is a good question. The answer is, the mods are fief lords who would rather preside over a sham than nothing at all.
Honestly, I can't think of any good reason to be a moderator of /r/privacy on reddit
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They don't like platforms where they can't censor dissent. Thats the reason they dont like Reddit.
What are you sniffing? There's no more pro censorship platform then Reddit. Lemmy at least keeps a mod log.
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I was posting some comments on Reddit, in the "Privacy" subreddit, about better privacy options than Android or iOS—like GrapheneOS. I just received a message from the bot deleting my posts that mentioned GrapheneOS or other privacy-friendly operating systems. I accept this, since I'm not the owner of the subreddit. But with all due respect, what's the point of having a place to discuss privacy if comments recommending great privacy-focused OS alternatives get deleted? I don’t get it.
It seems like people in that community want privacy, but apparently not enough to have an open discussion about alternatives. Sure, some people might disagree—that's normal in any discussion! Should we stop talking about the NSA because some people support what they do? I doubt anyone would suggest that.
Am I missing something here? Maybe I just don’t understand the reasoning.
Reddit purged their volunteer mod base for exactly this reason. Some company asks them to change moderation to accommodate them, reddit complies without having to deal with pesky, independent human mods who might argue against the censorship.
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I do remember a Moderator from the subreddit saying exactly that. Apparently "a certain" ROM's community was very vocal about their preference and provoked heated debates to a point where it was too much effort to moderate manually.
It wouldn't have been that much work to moderate before the API bullshit ripped community-built moderation tools away.
This was by design. Make moderating more difficult. Claim moderators are failing. Replace with AI that Reddit can control. Replace mods who leave from frustration with hand-selected mods who follow the company line.
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Posts from Lemmy do come up with searching, at least on DDG, so the best thing people can do is stop adding reddit at the end of a parameter and start adding lemmy
Unfortunately a lot of instances do not have "lemmy" in their name, which makes this web searching significantly more difficult
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That's what happens when something grows too much, at some point moderation is impossible and rules start with one intention but turn into the absurd.
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I was posting some comments on Reddit, in the "Privacy" subreddit, about better privacy options than Android or iOS—like GrapheneOS. I just received a message from the bot deleting my posts that mentioned GrapheneOS or other privacy-friendly operating systems. I accept this, since I'm not the owner of the subreddit. But with all due respect, what's the point of having a place to discuss privacy if comments recommending great privacy-focused OS alternatives get deleted? I don’t get it.
It seems like people in that community want privacy, but apparently not enough to have an open discussion about alternatives. Sure, some people might disagree—that's normal in any discussion! Should we stop talking about the NSA because some people support what they do? I doubt anyone would suggest that.
Am I missing something here? Maybe I just don’t understand the reasoning.
Let's talk about privacy, just not any private operating systems because there's a sub for that, or laws that threaten privacy because there's a sub for that, or any corporations that try to take away people's privacy because there's a sub for that, or our opinions on the concept of privacy because there's a sub for that so... privacy is, uh, not having people see what you're doing kinda.
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I kinda get why the GrapheneOS developers don't want their product discussed on reddit: Imagine you're searching for a problem with GrapheneOS and the only thing popping up is a Reddit thread. They don't want their users having to go there as the "only" option to get their problem fixed
What I've seen there within the post about Graphene OS moving away from Reddit, is not wanting to be on Reddit with their own community, as the rules of the platform means that they are getting a lot of removals, blocks and things like that, so they moved their own community, but that doesn't mean that people shouldn't talk about graphene. That's a huge difference, as a lot of people get to know this software reading about them on blogs, posts and Reddit.
We need to encourage healthy conversations, even if we don't agree with the topic, but removing everything... Damm -
Doesn't the message you received basically say the graphene devs don't want it discussed in /r/privacy ?
If I were involved in a project with any sort of following I wouldn't want it discussed in a large, general, subreddit either. If it is, you either need to engage with people there to minimise any misinformation, or you just have to let people spread nonsense about your product.
That said, asking why /r/privacy exists when the devs of privacy-related projects don't want to participate is a good question. The answer is, the mods are fief lords who would rather preside over a sham than nothing at all.
Honestly, I can't think of any good reason to be a moderator of /r/privacy on reddit
It is funny because the post doesn't mention that they don't want to be discussed through Reddit or that community, in particular.
They said that they were moving away from Reddit with their own community because it was really difficult to keep it up with all the blocks, bans, and a lot of issues with the topics that they were discussing, and with users being blocked because they were using VPNs or the Tor network.
So they don't say that they don't want to discuss things on Reddit, they just said that they were moving away for their own community.
It is funny because freedom means that if you meet with your friends in a bar, and you want to discuss Donald Trump, as an example, does that mean that you shouldn't talk about Trump in a bar because Trump said that he doesn't want to be discussed in that table? (He didn't say so I believe, it's just a random idea)
No, you can talk about Trump because we live in a freedom world where you can talk with your friends or with colleagues or whoever you want, about the things that you want as long as you don't hurt anyone or you don't talk shit about that thing. Isn't it?
