AfD is the most popular party in Germany for the first time, with a record 26%
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The problem is that more simple minded people who are actually conservative, as they want to conserve society as it is, will easily fall for the propaganda and vote for a party that is out to destroy what they want to conserve.
The self proclaimed standing of a party is part of its propaganda. Unfortunately the media are complicit with the parties on perpetuating their propaganda, by calling parties by their chosen adjectives, rather than by what would be more fitting. Conservatives should rather be called "Destructives", and in many countries, "Social Democrats" are rather Neoliberals, for they have long sold out social democracy to the highest bidder and now follow an extremist free market ideology, their only remaining difference to the "Conservatives" being not wanting to return to societal norms from 60 years ago.
The problem is that more simple minded people who are actually conservative, as they want to conserve society as it is, will easily fall for the propaganda and vote for a party that is out to destroy what they want to conserve.
The real problem is that "conserve society as it is" was always a lie, unless the "as it is" you're talking about happened to be monarchy. Conservatism, as an ideology, was founded in support of monarchism. A society run by an aristocratic elite has always been the thing they're trying to conserve.
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Is the proper response: Well shit.
This is why I keep telling people we are fucked by focusing in increasing military powerr in europe even if it appears and is obviously needed. We are going to put all the power at the hands of insane lunatics ready to wage 2ar and put people in ovens.
It's happening in all countries in Europe. I think in mine we'll have elections next month or something like that and the extreme right is at 2nd or 3rd position ready to take first or will join hands with another to win. It was so close already last time. No matrer how many crimes all their members do show up in the news every week.
It's what the people want. Most people everywhere are ok and want homicidal narcissist and sociopathic people in charge of them.
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And stil the state refuses to ban them, refuses to arrest and sentence their leaders.
It will be Weimar 2.0 with liberals being either too incompetent or too unwilling to stop fascism.
Fascism is not stopped at the podium or in parliament. It is stopped with bullets and bombs. The longer you wait the more bullets and bombs it will take and the more lives it will cost.
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Someone explain, are these the Nazis?
Anything from national conservatives to common reactionaries, Völkische and neo-nazis and neo-fascists.
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So it is a poll of people who answer phone numbers they don’t recognize.
There's a lot more than that, check the sampling methods on this Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(statistics)
They could, for example, ask for demographic information of the sampled population and weight that to the general population (let's say that 50% of the people who answered are males from 70+; but they just represent 10% of the general population, then that answers are weighted to represent only 10% of the final results).
There's a lot of theory behind sampling.
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There's a lot more than that, check the sampling methods on this Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(statistics)
They could, for example, ask for demographic information of the sampled population and weight that to the general population (let's say that 50% of the people who answered are males from 70+; but they just represent 10% of the general population, then that answers are weighted to represent only 10% of the final results).
There's a lot of theory behind sampling.
I’m sure it is probably fine. I’m just being flippant.
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This is why I keep telling people we are fucked by focusing in increasing military powerr in europe even if it appears and is obviously needed. We are going to put all the power at the hands of insane lunatics ready to wage 2ar and put people in ovens.
It's happening in all countries in Europe. I think in mine we'll have elections next month or something like that and the extreme right is at 2nd or 3rd position ready to take first or will join hands with another to win. It was so close already last time. No matrer how many crimes all their members do show up in the news every week.
It's what the people want. Most people everywhere are ok and want homicidal narcissist and sociopathic people in charge of them.
These polls don't matter much. Next major election in Germany is in 2029.I'd argue these assholes didn't win the battle just yet. Anti lobby work, Investments in military power, education and quality of life for people are just some of the things to convince more people. Four years is plenty.
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Nah I don't buy it. Nazis voting for nazis know what they are doing. AfDs plan is clear, like project 2025 was and their voters like what they see and should be treated and handled accordingly.
Okay well in German and I know some of these idiots. It's true. Of course some are literally Nazis. You see the same thing in the US as well. Don't take my reply as defending these people.
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Are they dumber than the parties that didn't get the message?
Can confirm they're generally quite dumb.
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These polls don't matter much. Next major election in Germany is in 2029.I'd argue these assholes didn't win the battle just yet. Anti lobby work, Investments in military power, education and quality of life for people are just some of the things to convince more people. Four years is plenty.
If the government doesn't fall like it does here regularly
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Someone explain, are these the Nazis?
It is the party all the fascists vote on.
Should tell you enough.
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*In an opinion poll
I mean lets not confuse an opinion poll with the truth. These things regularly get things a couple points off. In fact that’s the norm.
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Germany should have actually denazified instead of the joke they did. Also should have reunited the two germanys instead of what happened which was basically a west German conquest of east Germany contributing greatly to its impoverershment.
Honest question, what was wrong with the denazification that was carried out? Did they have any historical example to compare to?
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Honest question, what was wrong with the denazification that was carried out? Did they have any historical example to compare to?
Jeah wondering the same, like Germany was already doing a lot more compared to other countries with previous facist governments
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Germany: well, okay, listen, it's not working out for America, and it didn't work out for us that one time, but they promised it'll be different for us. What's a few civil liberties and social safety nets if it means we get to
extract slave labor from immigrantsput immigrants in prison for life for the crime of existing?Innuendo Studios summarized it rather well with:
"We're not like those other fascists. We're young, hip, and successful. Come back, baby. It'll be different this time."
https://youtu.be/5Luu1Beb8ng?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ&t=1179
His whole series on White Fascism and the current Alt-Right is a phenomenal summary of today's right wing "conservative" (fascist / nazi) landscape in an internet-connected age. Nothing has truly changed for them: they're still a suicide cult based around attacking "the other" (whatever they pick to attack) and then narrowing who is allowed to be at the top until everyone is dead.
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And stil the state refuses to ban them, refuses to arrest and sentence their leaders.
It will be Weimar 2.0 with liberals being either too incompetent or too unwilling to stop fascism.
Fascism is not stopped at the podium or in parliament. It is stopped with bullets and bombs. The longer you wait the more bullets and bombs it will take and the more lives it will cost.
Using bullets and bombs would make the rest not better than the fascists, so lets not use them.
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Using bullets and bombs would make the rest not better than the fascists, so lets not use them.
No it wouldn't, it would make you smart enough to speak to the fascists in the only language they understand. Words don't work against fascists because they don't care what words mean. Better to defend yourself now while you still can.
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Using bullets and bombs would make the rest not better than the fascists, so lets not use them.
We don't need to be tolerant to the intolerant.
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This!
The best strategy is to engage in genuine conversations.
Most people just label the unknowledgable as stupid and attempt to desperately convince them with a bombardment of facts and counter-arguments. Even worse is just calling them "Nazi" and leave it at that. This is futile with some people who have gone down too deep into the hate-train of social media. They will immediately mentally blockade what you're saying and the cycle continues.
It's way more effective to get into a friendly conversation and actually engage with what they are saying. Listen. Ask questions. Listen. Ask questions. Understand why they believe what they believe. Be open to their arguments, however rediculous you might find them.
The most important thing you need to realize that it's not their fault and they are not stupid! They are just the output of their environment. Everyone has emotions. And everyone deals with them differently. Everyone has their environment. And everyone sources their information from that environment. Everyone has parts of their lives where they are misinformed or less educated than an expert in the field. You too! Consequently, the way to change someone's belief is to change their environment while understanding their emotional basis.
and everyone is at a different stage in their life. If i'd have to talk to 10-years-ago-me I wouldnt agree with them in beliefs that are still held today pretty commonly
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This is why I keep telling people we are fucked by focusing in increasing military powerr in europe even if it appears and is obviously needed. We are going to put all the power at the hands of insane lunatics ready to wage 2ar and put people in ovens.
It's happening in all countries in Europe. I think in mine we'll have elections next month or something like that and the extreme right is at 2nd or 3rd position ready to take first or will join hands with another to win. It was so close already last time. No matrer how many crimes all their members do show up in the news every week.
It's what the people want. Most people everywhere are ok and want homicidal narcissist and sociopathic people in charge of them.
Best of luck to you and your country staying sane-ish a little longer.
