Programmers then and now

[endeavor@sopuli.xyz]

Me in 6 months
"how to install winzip using terminal"

[lowered_lifted@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

Agreed, in my limited experience with both CSS is like the conceptual opposite of assembly. When I do web design I tell it what I want to look like but can't see how it's getting there because that's done for me. Assembly is the lowest level of abstraction we've got and it took me ages to write a little program for class that returns an argument in it (Jasmin VM) and then get GCC to compile it.

I would say that CSS is like doing an incantation that magically makes the site look good if you do it right, and assembly is like building something by hand.

[impedans@lemmy.world]

If you define what you mean by centering I'll give you a straight answer.

Vertically? Horizontally? Center the text or the entire box? Compared to the viewport, the parent container or the entire page?

"Centering" isn't as straight forward as you'd think, and what you actually want usually depends on the situation.

[umbraroze@slrpnk.net]

If using plain CSS, usually it's enough to set width appropriately, and margin-left and margin-right to auto.

If using a Modern Frontend/CSS Framework, then may God have mercy on your poor soul.

(Seriously I just started a new project with TailwindCSS and I'm so confused. But not entirely desperate yet.)

[korhaka@sopuli.xyz]

So what is the point of these frameworks if they make it harder?

[ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

If you spend a lot of time on a single framework, you will transcend and become a sort of frontend diety, growing multiple extra limbs allowing you to type in CSS classes faster than any mere mortal

[ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

I'm doing a small hobby project (a ladder/ranking system for playing beer sports with my community), and I tried out Tailwind.

I gave up and loaded Bootstrap instead, but I will probably end up just writing all the CSS myself.

Seems so silly to have 15 CSS classes on a single DOM element..

[jankatarch@lemmy.world]

"Wait why can't I install windows iso from vscode extension store?"

[saharamaleikuhm@feddit.org]

Until everyone moves over to the next thing and you start from 0 again. Web dev is a nightmare.

[dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world]

Huh? Isn't it like right there at the bottom of the screen?

I guess not knowing that ^X means Control+X could be the issue, but still...

[bleistift2@sopuli.xyz]

Who’s saying you’re using the frameworks correctly?

[applemao@lemmy.world]

I still want to get into coding the OG manual way (because I enjoy pain and disappointment apparently) but now it seems like a waste of time since vibe coders and 13 year olds already are lightyears ahead of me. Also I have no reason to learn it, all apps are already built xD

[whiskytangofoxtrot@lemmy.world]

Make your web page in GIMP, export to PNG, <img>.

[andioop@programming.dev]

TIL!

Can exit nano on my own, have the common sense to not call in a panic about it before at least looking it up. (Which is how I learned how to exit it: looking it up.) But was never taught about ^ meaning "Control+" until your comment, especially since nowadays people write it out as "Control+" or "CTRL+".

I might have put two and two together when dealing with everything else in nano after I learned to exit, but never really internalized the rule "^ means Control+". So thank you for your comment!

Disclaimer: I feel like I am too stupid for most of programming.dev but participate here anyways because I learn stuff from the comments.

[gradual@lemmings.world]

Honestly, CSS is a fucking joke and it's solely to blame for why centering something isn't always straightforward.

By the way, this picture is a crock of shit for people who aren't programmers. Anyone who is a programmer will not take it seriously because programming is so much more about helping others instead of shaming them.

[gradual@lemmings.world]

all apps are already built

Couldn't be further from the truth. You also have to consider competition.

[gradual@lemmings.world]

What's sad is that web development is only a nightmare so websites can be worse.

I genuinely believe it's part of the concerted effort by the cabal to make us accept a 'new normal.'

They don't want an environment where anyone feels like they can make a website. They want us to believe we need to spend years studying before we can do anything, and even then we can only do what our bosses tell us to.

[gradual@lemmings.world]

Shouldn't they be designed in an intuitive manner that makes misuse more difficult than regular use?

Otherwise, why even bother using them? It's like now you need to know all the ins and outs of CSS and a trendy framework that will lock you into their ecosystem.

[andioop@programming.dev]

Can't think of anything that could serve a major need right now, but I absolutely identified things in my life where I could use a preexisting tool to accomplish my goal, but it's much less hassle for me to use the one I made for myself. You don't have to transform the world, sometimes you can help yourself with a minor inconvenience and then put it out there for anyone who might find themselves with the same inconvenience.

[gooberear@lemmy.wtf]

I have never Googled "how to center div 2025" because the last time I had to center a div was in 2024. I've never asked ChatGPT to fix a syntax error because I use Copilot. Exiting Vim is basically the only thing I know how to do in Vim, but I can do it. And my bug fixin' is generally one-for-one.

On the flip side, I can write some code without StackOverflow and AI. Writing a game in Assembly, these days, is for a specific kind of hobbyist or absolute fools. Languages using pointers are mostly for specific types of application and completely irrelevant for most programmers these days -- and the overwhelming bulk of us are better for it. And writing code by hand is an incredible talent and skill, but again, essentially useless these days.