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    My experience is that the programmers from the first row very much still exist. My theory is that the number of programmers from the first row stayed the about same or even increased slightly. There are so many more so called "programmers" overall now, however, that in relation the first row programmers are much rarer now. And to be fair, you don't need a programmer capable of programming entire games in assembly to center a div.

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    And vice versa, you don’t need to know how to centre a div to create a game in assembler. I’m comfortable using pointers and managing memory, but don’t ask me to do anything with web UI.

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      And vice versa, you don’t need to know how to centre a div to create a game in assembler. I’m comfortable using pointers and managing memory, but don’t ask me to do anything with web UI.

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      I'm guessing that someone who figured out how to keep a high score box centered on screen using assembly will figure it out to do it with CSS.

      The reverse, not so much...

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      • icastfist@programming.devI [email protected]

        80s programmers hated Unix, btw. Look up Unix Haters Handbook, it's a free and funny read

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        Unix Haters Handbook

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_UNIX-HATERS_Handbook

        Didn't knew this. It has 360 pages, wow!

        EDIT:

        The Macintosh on which I type this has
        64MB: Unix was not designed for the Mac. What kind of challenge is there
        when you have that much RAM?

        hehe

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        • bytejunk@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

          I'm guessing that someone who figured out how to keep a high score box centered on screen using assembly will figure it out to do it with CSS.

          The reverse, not so much...

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          But you dont what the code of the assembly-style centered div in your codebase. Because nobody will be able to read it and understand what it even does. There are abstraction specific ways to solve problems and the right way to do something in assembly is not the right way to do it in CSS.

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            Okay but how do u center a div in 2025

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            • obinice@lemmy.worldO [email protected]

              Okay but how do u center a div in 2025

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              While centering div, you add one to 2023.

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              • quadraturesurfer@lemmy.worldQ [email protected]

                Thanks! This will definitely help me to remember it from now on.

                Me 6 months from now:

                tar -EZVF

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                Me in 6 months
                "how to install winzip using terminal"

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                • G [email protected]

                  But you dont what the code of the assembly-style centered div in your codebase. Because nobody will be able to read it and understand what it even does. There are abstraction specific ways to solve problems and the right way to do something in assembly is not the right way to do it in CSS.

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                  Agreed, in my limited experience with both CSS is like the conceptual opposite of assembly. When I do web design I tell it what I want to look like but can't see how it's getting there because that's done for me. Assembly is the lowest level of abstraction we've got and it took me ages to write a little program for class that returns an argument in it (Jasmin VM) and then get GCC to compile it.

                  I would say that CSS is like doing an incantation that magically makes the site look good if you do it right, and assembly is like building something by hand.

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                  • obinice@lemmy.worldO [email protected]

                    Okay but how do u center a div in 2025

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                    If you define what you mean by centering I'll give you a straight answer.

                    Vertically? Horizontally? Center the text or the entire box? Compared to the viewport, the parent container or the entire page?

                    "Centering" isn't as straight forward as you'd think, and what you actually want usually depends on the situation.

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                    • obinice@lemmy.worldO [email protected]

                      Okay but how do u center a div in 2025

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                      If using plain CSS, usually it's enough to set width appropriately, and margin-left and margin-right to auto.

                      If using a Modern Frontend/CSS Framework, then may God have mercy on your poor soul.

                      (Seriously I just started a new project with TailwindCSS and I'm so confused. But not entirely desperate yet.)

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                      • umbraroze@slrpnk.netU [email protected]

                        If using plain CSS, usually it's enough to set width appropriately, and margin-left and margin-right to auto.

                        If using a Modern Frontend/CSS Framework, then may God have mercy on your poor soul.

                        (Seriously I just started a new project with TailwindCSS and I'm so confused. But not entirely desperate yet.)

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                        So what is the point of these frameworks if they make it harder?

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                          So what is the point of these frameworks if they make it harder?

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                          If you spend a lot of time on a single framework, you will transcend and become a sort of frontend diety, growing multiple extra limbs allowing you to type in CSS classes faster than any mere mortal

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                          • umbraroze@slrpnk.netU [email protected]

                            If using plain CSS, usually it's enough to set width appropriately, and margin-left and margin-right to auto.

                            If using a Modern Frontend/CSS Framework, then may God have mercy on your poor soul.

                            (Seriously I just started a new project with TailwindCSS and I'm so confused. But not entirely desperate yet.)

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                            I'm doing a small hobby project (a ladder/ranking system for playing beer sports with my community), and I tried out Tailwind.

                            I gave up and loaded Bootstrap instead, but I will probably end up just writing all the CSS myself.

                            Seems so silly to have 15 CSS classes on a single DOM element..

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                              I once had an intern attempt to install sudo using NPM and when that didn't work he asked ChatGPT "Why can't I install sudo from NPM?" while I'm trying to explain it to him.

                              He was smart, but somehow knew very little about commercial computers despite being on the verge of getting his master's in computer science.

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                              "Wait why can't I install windows iso from vscode extension store?"

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                                If you spend a lot of time on a single framework, you will transcend and become a sort of frontend diety, growing multiple extra limbs allowing you to type in CSS classes faster than any mere mortal

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                                Until everyone moves over to the next thing and you start from 0 again. Web dev is a nightmare.

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                                  I once had a junior calling me in a panic because he didn't know how to quit nano. NANO!

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                                  Huh? Isn't it like right there at the bottom of the screen?

                                  I guess not knowing that ^X means Control+X could be the issue, but still...

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                                    I'm doing a small hobby project (a ladder/ranking system for playing beer sports with my community), and I tried out Tailwind.

                                    I gave up and loaded Bootstrap instead, but I will probably end up just writing all the CSS myself.

                                    Seems so silly to have 15 CSS classes on a single DOM element..

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                                    Who’s saying you’re using the frameworks correctly?

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                                      I still want to get into coding the OG manual way (because I enjoy pain and disappointment apparently) but now it seems like a waste of time since vibe coders and 13 year olds already are lightyears ahead of me. Also I have no reason to learn it, all apps are already built xD

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                                        Okay but how do u center a div in 2025

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                                        Make your web page in GIMP, export to PNG, <img>.

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                                          Huh? Isn't it like right there at the bottom of the screen?

                                          I guess not knowing that ^X means Control+X could be the issue, but still...

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                                          TIL!

                                          Can exit nano on my own, have the common sense to not call in a panic about it before at least looking it up. (Which is how I learned how to exit it: looking it up.) But was never taught about ^ meaning "Control+" until your comment, especially since nowadays people write it out as "Control+" or "CTRL+".

                                          I might have put two and two together when dealing with everything else in nano after I learned to exit, but never really internalized the rule "^ means Control+". So thank you for your comment!

                                          Disclaimer: I feel like I am too stupid for most of programming.dev but participate here anyways because I learn stuff from the comments.

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