Plex now want to SELL your personal data
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I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plex’s advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/It is as if it is a general rule at this point that centralization breeds corruption. No matter how many statements people make early on in social engagements, centralization leads them to screw people depending on these systems.
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I understand this but we have to realize that what makes Plex simpler is the fact that they are a network intermediary that does what it wants with your home networks; it's like insisting that NordVPN is better than Mullvad
IMHO the only solution will be improving wireguard guis and stuff, Jellyfin is not lacking.
I haven't used Plex, so I'm not exactly sure what it's doing, but I'm guessing it presents you some sort of search to find the server? Isn't that pretty much the same as a domain name, just w/ a search bar instead of a URL bar? If your domain is easy to remember, I guess I don't see an issue. I've also heard you can connect to multiple servers, so maybe that's what people are talking about.
Regardless, I think Jellyfin could handle both. Get some community-funded STUN relay servers to handle discovery and implement a way (if it doesn't already) to have your client connect to multiple servers. There should also be a way to copy all the configs from one client to another (say, a QR code or UUID, settings copied over the same STUN server).
My main issue is that this could open up servers to more potential attack vectors, and Jellyfin already has some security weaknesses. But other than that, I'd be happy to help implement this sort of thing, a STUN server can be run on as little as a $5 VPS.
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hashed email xD, if someone has email it's just hash(email) == email. given how many emails leaked producing hashes of 90% of population emails is not a problem
Assuming they're not salted hashes.
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I think we can make an exception for soup and ice-cream, no?
NO SOUP FOR YOU! NEXT!
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:::Have you set up jellyfish at your home, given access to a friend outside of your network who could not setup Jellyfin themselves, and successfully got them playing on their TV, table tablet, and/or phone? Have you been able to set them up without them having to call you every week?
Yes. It's very easy. It might not have used to be easy but it is for the last couple of years. Dead simple. About a dozen people use my Jellyfin server across TV's, phones, tablets, laptops. None of them are what I would call techies. It's as simple for them as Netflix.
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Kodi ain't a self host tool, nor a server though but it is a great player, and I happily use the big 3, Kodi, Stremio and Plex (I'd add Cloud Stream as a runner up).
I haven't set up Kodi, but I would assume the go-to here would be a
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@Jimmycakes @Selfhoster1728 they learn pretty fast and the calls stop. Everyone says it's hard I have very tech illerate people using it and yes I get some calls but not alot. And they managed to login way easier then I thought. I think everyone is overblowing how hard Jellyfin is. I mean most people know how to login to a website.
My family/friends uses it on TV all they do is scan the qr code on plex and it logs them in and basically keeps them logged in forever. On jellyfin it logs out randomly. I run a dedicated Nas with 40tb half filled with media. I started on jellyfin and switched over to plex and never looked back. Just the fact that half the people in my replies think the main use case is on a Pc tells you everything you need to know. It's perfectly fine for tech literate people for everyone else plex is superior.
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Excuse me, I thought the comment I replied to was talking about the setup process of the jellyfin server itself.
Well yeah maybe that too, but a server no one connects to is a paperweight. The connection part confuses laypeople
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I haven't used Plex, so I'm not exactly sure what it's doing, but I'm guessing it presents you some sort of search to find the server? Isn't that pretty much the same as a domain name, just w/ a search bar instead of a URL bar? If your domain is easy to remember, I guess I don't see an issue. I've also heard you can connect to multiple servers, so maybe that's what people are talking about.
Regardless, I think Jellyfin could handle both. Get some community-funded STUN relay servers to handle discovery and implement a way (if it doesn't already) to have your client connect to multiple servers. There should also be a way to copy all the configs from one client to another (say, a QR code or UUID, settings copied over the same STUN server).
My main issue is that this could open up servers to more potential attack vectors, and Jellyfin already has some security weaknesses. But other than that, I'd be happy to help implement this sort of thing, a STUN server can be run on as little as a $5 VPS.
No, Plex lets you invite friends to your server with a link they can click and sign up. Then they can type a code into their TV app or login to a browser and watch basically like a standard streaming setup they already probably have used.
Jellyfin is less familiar. Arguably not much more difficult but people aren't always rational. The unfamiliar is often intimidating.
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Sounds more of an user problem than a jellyfin problem? If they can't remember their login I'll just not add them to jellyfin.
Cool story bro you're such a big man telling grandma she's cut off. Tough guy over here. Absolute unit of a guy.
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The whole anti Google holier than thou is annoying at these levels.
Ok fine, don't use Google. But telling your friends and loved ones to switch email providers over your crusade is worse than vegans telling you about their diet.
I'm all for kicking Google to the curb. I'm not for shoving my beliefs down other people's throats.
ITT: bunch of nerds with literally no friends or family to share media with lol
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Library scans and picking up added/removed media, kill me. I love kodi, but how such a basic function can be so squirrely I'll never understand. Maybe it's just a quirk with NFS back ends.
I let Radarr and Sonarr handle that (including creating NFO metadata and fanart files), Kodi now only parses/syncs that local data.
This change was a huge improvement for me, though I am using SMB and not NFS. (But I assume NFS would be more robust than SMB.)
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My aim is to get my friends and family to stop paying for streaming services and if I have to pay for Plex to achieve this then that’s a win.
Jellyfin is nowhere near as feature complete as Plex and not by a long shot. My users don’t like the UI of Jellyfin and setting up for remote access is no trivial feat. With this in mind and my goals Plex is better suited.
So far have 8 users all saving £10-40 a month not going to streaming services.
Jellyfin is open source. You could be helping out.
Best of luck with Plex, though. I would say this is even more writing on the wall but it does not sound like that matters to you.
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No, Plex lets you invite friends to your server with a link they can click and sign up. Then they can type a code into their TV app or login to a browser and watch basically like a standard streaming setup they already probably have used.
Jellyfin is less familiar. Arguably not much more difficult but people aren't always rational. The unfamiliar is often intimidating.
Can't you just send your link to them over SMS, IM, or email? Is the main difference that you can do this from the UI?
I guess entering a code on the TV is pretty cool though. Maybe I'll poke around in the Jellyfin community to see what the interest is in such a feature, because it should be possible w/ minimal hosting costs.
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I don't know why everyone in the selfhosting community still even mentions Plex or uses it.
It's closed source, not free; Jellyfin is a no brainer yet people still go to Plex??
Jellyfin is hardly a no-brainer. I set it up out of curiosity a few weeks ago and my first question was how do I give access to my friends and family. So I searched, and all of the results were talking about setting up a VPN or a reverse proxy or whatever. Man, I just want to tell my mom "install this app on your tv and log in", which is exactly what Plex does.
I get that Plex is enshittifying, but pretending Jellyfin is a drop-in replacement is delusional.
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Kodi ain't a self host tool, nor a server though but it is a great player, and I happily use the big 3, Kodi, Stremio and Plex (I'd add Cloud Stream as a runner up).
wrote last edited by [email protected]Right. Personally I don't stream and only access my library from my TV at home. So Kodi is all I need for now. Though I'd like to try Jellyfin one day when I don't have so much other stuff to do. I actually don't know what exactly I'm missing out on.
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Come on, you've got a password manager that saves passwords and usernames. It couldn't be more convenient to login.
Why would you give the responsibility to google for your logins?
Why would you lock yourself into the vendor google by using their login system for every other service? You can't migrate anywhere easily.
I'm just not enabling such a method. It's not implemented. People who don't think about it and hence don't care usually still use the service eveb if they cannot use "login with google"
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it isn't really up to the developer to anticipate how every individual user has configured their home server,
Yes, it is.
People keep answering the question of "why would anybody still use Plex" in this thread much better than I ever could.
Also, "it works on my machine" doesn't mean it's not a bug or a legitimate performance issue inherent to the software. It's always crazy to me how holier-than-thou, not-the-developer's-job people can get without heeding even the most basic, ground-level software development principles.
Also, also, spare me the condescension, I self-host a dozen different things, including other open source libraries for non-video stuff, closed source libraries for other other non-video stuff and increasingly more-trouble-than-it's-worth networking.
But even if I didn't, Plex was one of the first things I hosted because all you have to do is installing like you would any local application and it just works. By the time it's living in a contianer inside a dedicated home server or whatever you are well past the entry level for this stuff. If that's the gap you find acceptable between Plex and Jellyfin you have, again, found your answer to why a whole bunch of people would consider one and not the other.
I just don't think you need to make your whole personality about your pet home server or that it needs to be finicky and annoying to work. Self hosting has tons of potential and it's one of the few areas where open source solutions dominate the field. Somebody should take some time to make it actually accessible before the commercial hounds smell blood in the enshittified waters and turn it into a product all the way.
Kudos to Home Assistant for soooort of doing that, although I still think it's a bit overcustomizable and overengineered. Still the closest to a good self-hosted open application out there by a mile, though.
Also, “it works on my machine” doesn’t mean it’s not a bug or a legitimate performance issue inherent to the software
Of course not, but when there's an issue that's limited to certain users, the immediate question is "what is different about this installation that's causing this issue here and not elsewhere?". It would have been just as easy for you to start with Jellyfin instead of plex, but then you would have likely run into the same issue when trying to add plex to the same shared media volume. That isn't an uncommon issue, but when you've already said 'it's not worth my time to troubleshoot this application', I can only assume you also didn't have the time to read the documentation. That's fine - most of us here understand that homelabs are a niche hobby interest and not everyone is willing to maintain a server that requires technical knowledge and time to keep running smoothly. Some people just want something that works out of the box and don't care about it being open sourced or customizable, and that's fair. If that's why you prefer plex that's fine. But it isn't the developer's fault if you choose to go down a more complicated deployment path and find that you're out of your depth.
It’s always crazy to me how holier-than-thou, not-the-developer’s-job people can get without heeding even the most basic, ground-level software development principles.
Containerized applications are simply not designed to work like native applications - they are very much built with the assumption that those people who are deploying them have - at a minimum - a cursory knowledge of VM's and shared volume ACL's and a willingness to troubleshoot their configuration if there are conflicts. It isn't because they're shirking responsibility as developers, it's because they're providing source code that's designed for remote service developers to plug into other services/environments and customized. If you can't be bothered to do basic troubleshooting that's very common with shared volume deployments, then maybe you've reached your personal threshold for how much self-hosting you're willing to do. Again, that's not 'holier-than-thou', that's just an acknowledgment of what remote application deployment requires.
Plex and jellyfin can be run together if you really wanted to do it, but if you can't be bothered to do basic troubleshooting then I won't be bothered to soothe your ego.
I just don’t think you need to make your whole personality about your pet home server or that it needs to be finicky and annoying to work
Lmao, idk what to tell you bud. Some people actually enjoy working on their cars, but I don't hear you getting mad at them because all you're willing to do yourself is change your oil.
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I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plex’s advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/What is Plex?
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Jellyfin is open source. You could be helping out.
Best of luck with Plex, though. I would say this is even more writing on the wall but it does not sound like that matters to you.
You’re right I could be helping out I mom the open source side, but I really struggle to even turn on my Pc when not working (mental health) so don’t feel I am the best person to contribute.
This is why my focus has been on getting friends and family to stop spending money on streaming services as every little helps.
You’re correct in that the only thing that matters to me is that people I care about save money. That’s it. I’m in awe of people doing more than me, but we can only do what we feel we are able. Together it all makes a difference.
