Plex now want to SELL your personal data
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Right. Personally I don't stream and only access my library from my TV at home. So Kodi is all I need for now. Though I'd like to try Jellyfin one day when I don't have so much other stuff to do. I actually don't know what exactly I'm missing out on.
If you want to sync watched state, resume position, that sort of stuff outside of your house, Jellyfin would be a good tool for that. And it integrates seamlessly into Kodi. Plex unfortunately doesn't, you have to launch an addon from Kodi, so it's not as nice.
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Let's not act like a user and password is some revolutionary new technical concept. They can remember it for their email provider if they can access the plex link. So why not jellyfin? I think the UX of Jellyfin is more than acceptable in this regard. Sure I wouldn't mind they added this feature but i don't see it as a must have.
Yeah, but since you basically need a VPN to share Jellyfin safely, you now also need to install and maintain that on their end
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The Jellyfin devs have made it clear, that they will not make changes that invalidate existing clients. Rebuilding the things that make sharing content via Plex so much easier would most definitely break client compatability
Citation needed.
The most compelling feature I always get asked if Jellyfin has ala Plex is the discovery/NAT punch for linking people up.
That does not strike me as something that necessarily breaks backwards compatibility. It would require some centralized discovery, and I think that is probably where we run into an issue because if I were the Jellyfin devs, I wouldn't want to have to support that, either.
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Yeah, but I need something that kids/spouse are comfortable with that can also have pretty strict content and purchase restrictions. Android still doesn’t fit that bill either. Ideally I would run something on an htpc with custom interface for all that but will a full time job that frequently has been taking me out of state and 2 hours of commute daily, $100 is a drop in the bucket for something that I don’t have to worry about my family breaking. I don’t have the time to do things that I want anymore and the Apple TV hits the simplicity/control intersection.
Yeah. I love open source, but people kinda assume you have unlimited time to sink until this stuff. Apple has done a great job selling an intuitive experience that I need for the non technical people in my household. That being said, I don’t understand why AirPlay doesn’t just fucking work. Siri is also garbage.
And if I have to listen to one more person try and explain to me why I have the wrong router, mdns, multicast, IPv6 settings, etc, I’m gonna lose it. One person is like, “buy Uniquiti, that plays nice with Apple Home and never use your ISP router”. The next person is like “you idiot, why would you think Ubiquiti + Apple would ever work stick with your IPS router”. Even if they’re right, it’s a failure of Apple to design a system that requires an IT person to setup.
Thank you for listening to my rant.
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Citation needed.
The most compelling feature I always get asked if Jellyfin has ala Plex is the discovery/NAT punch for linking people up.
That does not strike me as something that necessarily breaks backwards compatibility. It would require some centralized discovery, and I think that is probably where we run into an issue because if I were the Jellyfin devs, I wouldn't want to have to support that, either.
They argue against most suggestion with the notion, that existing clients can't handle authentication. The devs prefer working clients over a properly secured backend.
You can now extrapolate this idea and every major change that would change the way the API is accessed by clients will be stopped for the sake of continued client compatibility.
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I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plex’s advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/wrote last edited by [email protected]I think people feel loyalty to Plex and I understand why. I even understand why they're charging for self-hosting considering their costs of delivering the dynamic DNS, software development, content info, etc. But being closed source, VC funded, and with their core product an increasingly small part of their business, it's all a powerful recipe for enshittification. Tech Altar has talked before about how enthusiast brands often betray their users. Jellyfin was not a trivial set up for remote access, but I've really been happy with it, and I like having the peace of mind of having control over how it works
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I use infuse for the Apple TV. You can add the jellyfin source and I believe it syncs watch progress. It can’t do prerolls, but it have intro and credits skipping.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I looked at Infuse, but as soon as I saw it was a subscription I decided no. They have a lifetime option but I don’t trust those anymore. If it’s good software with a one time fee of $40 or less, I’m there, but anything $10/month or $100 lifetime is a dealbreaker for me.
Edit: I totally misread the price. It’s a way more reasonable $12.99/year not what I said above
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What are the worries behind it? Last time someone was worried about the security it was about knowing filenames of the stuff you host by brute forcing iirc
The issue is their approach to security. I don't trust them to properly secure their software, since they have proven to prefer client compatibility over security.
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The lack of a PS5 app makes Jellyfin useless to me. We have a dumb TV with no casting ability so the PlayStation is our media box.
Chromecast. Regular is cheap, and grab the 4K one if you wanna stream higher quality movies. Cost you less than $100.
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Sorry, I meant "Plex took away free remote streaming".
You're being really, really snippy. Either have a coffee or take a breather, but calling strangers liars is way offside.
I'm not lying, I can show you my Fw config. My son called me yesterday saying he couldn't watch Plex, something about the Plex pass. I just changed the Fw rule DST nat mangle port and told him to use jellyfin. The user is local, so that's dead easy. Done in 10 minutes.
And yes, most users don't have this kind of experience, granted. But Plex comes with its own stupidities, like in 2020 when my wife had to pay $5 for the Plex app so she could access our library. Or the exercise of sharing libraries if you don't have a Plex pass, which is a real pain.
But that wasn't my point. I was trying to relay that jellyfin isn't as buggy and difficult as a lot of self hosters claim.
I don't mean to add fuel to the fire with Gentry or anything but I can speak towards my experience with jellyfin here. When I started with jellyfin I didn't know a lot about networking or even self hosting, I pretty much jumped in blind. Although it's fair to say I am not new to technical concepts/troubleshooting so my experience is definitely going to be smoother than a non technical user.
For context I am using truenas scale to host jellyfin and I was able to install it, configure it, and get my library going on the first try and it was definitely under 20 minutes. Once I decided I wanted remote access to my library it wasn't super crazy to figure out tail scale (maybe 30 minutes?) and have that available too. It might not have been under an hour total but coming from almost nothing as a newer user I didn't really experience a lot of turbulence.
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No, the bans stem from the EULA. I am not breaching the EULA. Whether Plex can verify that or not is not much of a concern for me.
But to be clear, I have zero to lose here. The outcome of Plex banning me for not breaking their EULA (for some reason, which is technically possible but unlikely) is the exact same as the outcome of me dropping Plex in case they ban me. In both cases the only thing that happens is I'm not using Plex anymore.
Also, in your hypothetical Plex already knows the stuff you are worried about. The SSO has nothing to do with it. Plex doesn't need data from Google to know, they already have your personal information.
I guess adding to the list of reasons to use Plex "being berated by online randos wanting to be performatively tech savvy". Which, again, changes nothing practical, but hey.
No, the bans stem from the EULA.
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This TOS will take effect (or re-take effect) at the (and each) time you begin installing, accessing, or using the Plex Solution, WHICHEVER IS EARLIEST, and is effective until terminated as set forth below. Plex reserves the right to terminate this TOS at any time on reasonable grounds, which shall specifically include, without limitation, discontinuation of the Plex Solution (or related services) as an offering of the Plex business, nonpayment, termination of account, fraudulent or unlawful activity, or actions or omissions that violate this TOS, subject to the survival rights of certain provisions identified below. In addition, Plex shall have the right to take appropriate administrative and/or legal action in the event of breach or (alleged) criminal activity, including alerting legal authorities, as it deems necessary in its sole discretion.
When using the Plex Solution in accordance with the foregoing license, you shall not directly or indirectly (a) use the Plex Solution to create any service, software or documentation that performs substantially the same functionality as the Plex Solution, (b) disassemble, decompile, reverse-engineer, or use any other means to attempt to discover any source code, algorithms, trade secrets, or applications underlying the Plex Solution or any of its tools, content, or features, (c) encumber, sublicense, transfer, distribute, rent, lease, time-share, or use the Plex Solution in any service bureau arrangement or otherwise for the benefit of any third party, (d) adapt, combine, create derivative works of, or otherwise modify the Plex Solution, (e) disable, circumvent, or otherwise avoid or undermine any security device, mechanism, protocol, or procedure implemented in the Plex Solution, (f) use or access the Plex Solution for any unlawful, fraudulent, deceptive, tortious, malicious, or otherwise harmful or injurious purpose, (g) remove, obscure, deface, or alter any proprietary rights notices on any element of the Plex Solution or accompanying documentation, or (h) use the Plex Solution in any manner which could damage, disable, overburden, or impair the Plex Solution or interfere with any third party’s authorized use of the Plex Solution.
:::But maybe you don't care about any of that shit, either? Idk man the list of things you're dismissing as unimportant is really adding up.
Plex already knows the stuff you are worried about. The SSO has nothing to do with it. Plex doesn’t need data from Google to know, they already have your personal information.
Jellyfin has zero idea who I am or what accounts/IPs access my server, nor do they know what's a part of my media catalogue or if they are legally licensed to me. If I were to use google's SSO, then google would know which accounts/IP's are accessing my server, which isn't a huge deal by itself, but if jellyfin were to have information about my entire account and library then it would suddenly be a very big issue.
But Plex does know what's on your account, and they do limit the number of authenticated users of the account as a part of their TOS and through limitations surrounding their paid plex pass, and they have exercised their right to terminate accounts and pass personal information of infringers along to law enforcement and copyright holders. None of which is even a remote possibility with a completely self-hosted solution. But hey, if you're happy then more power to ya.
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They argue against most suggestion with the notion, that existing clients can't handle authentication. The devs prefer working clients over a properly secured backend.
You can now extrapolate this idea and every major change that would change the way the API is accessed by clients will be stopped for the sake of continued client compatibility.
It's this old link, eh?
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Text:
I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plex’s advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/Seeing the replies in this thread it kinda makes me wonder what Plex actually has to do for these zealots to quit using their platform.
Like do they literally have to steal naked pictures of you and pass them around the office? Like wtf.
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$30 Android box solves this
I generally agree with you and its what I did, but why do i need yet another device plugged in, draining power all the time? I dont want to leave an even larger co2 footprint and software support on existing hardware could aid in that. The android box is a workaround, not a green enough solution in my opinion.
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I've tried Jellyfin and the Live TV / tuner interface sucked so bad I didn't want to bother with it any further. Maybe I could have found plugins or some shit to make it more usable but I've had a lifetime Plex pass for almost a decade and it still works great
Yes, they've made a number of decisions that truly suck in that time but it's still better than the experience I had with Jellyfin or Emby, even recently.
It works pretty well for me personally. What was the problem?
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I think it mostly comes down to sharing stuff with others.
There's a lot of stuff in Jellyfin you wouldn't want to expose to the internet.
No idea if Jellyfin even has a client for my dad's shonky old 4K TV, but I certainly wouldn't be able to set up Wireguard or anything on it.
I wouldn't expose Plex to the internet either
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Can someone explain to me why you need anything more than directories filled with files to view content?
I'm struggling to understand why anybody would need or want something like Plex.
I want to watch a movie. I open explorer, go to the folder movies, select the movie, and double click the icon.
The end.
Because that's pretty inconvenient?
I need something like
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ability to watch from any device
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transcoding
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watch history and progress save
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Can someone clue me in on the reason why anyone would prefer Plex instead of Jellyfin?
wrote last edited by [email protected]They're going to sell the data to movie companies so they can find out what is being pirated
I fuckin guarantee it.
Trakt did the same thing I bet
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Me eating
and reading the comments of Plex users arguing with Jellyfin users, while myself being a user of Kodi which has it's own problems..I use the Kodi plugin for Jellyfin
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Why does nobody ever mention Emby? To me, it’s everything Plex used to be before it got enshittified!
Isn't it proprietary?
