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    If humans are inherently evil, why is evil not the dominant force in the world? One would assume that if everyone were indeed evil, greedy, and out for themselves our existence could only be anarchy.

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    Who says it is not the dominant force?
    End stage capitalism is pretty close to anarchy and we will see what happens next.

    After 25 years in healthcare and humanitarian work you get a grim perspective.

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      1. I am thinking about whether I exist as a conscious being. Therefore there must be an 'I' to be thinking that.

      2. I can't prove that my senses can be trusted with 100% certainty to tell me truth - in fact I can prove the opposite with things like optical illusions. However, when interacting with the world that I only know is real through my senses, basing my behaviour on those same senses that let me know the world exists seems reasonable to me. That's what I call practical knowledge, rather than true knowledge.

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      How do you define "I"?

      In other words you believe what your senses tell you to be real even though you cannot objectively prove your senses to be trustworthy?

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        I haven't played any of the Sonic games since Sonic and Knuckles so I am going to have to take your word on all of that. haha

        I am partial to how the Joycon is set up myself, but I think it is just because of how much I play it compared to alternate styled consoles.

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        Sonic and Knuckles special stages are so much better, in my opinion. Maybe I'm just not good at the Lost World special stages on 3DS, but I somehow struggle because they use motion controls ( moving myself and the whole system to move in a 3D environment ). Moving along in a straight line to collect balls is so much easier, in my opinion.

        Also, joycons are an alright enough setup, but I personally don't like how small they are. My hands were not made for extended unattached usage of those things.

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          Who says it is not the dominant force?
          End stage capitalism is pretty close to anarchy and we will see what happens next.

          After 25 years in healthcare and humanitarian work you get a grim perspective.

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          If you were correct society as a whole would already exist as true anarchy, therefore humans are not inherently evil, greedy, or out for themselves. We could not coexist in any meaningful way if that were true.

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            How do you define "I"?

            In other words you believe what your senses tell you to be real even though you cannot objectively prove your senses to be trustworthy?

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            1. 'I' is the thing that is thinking it

            2. I don't 'believe' that my senses are real, but that it's good enough to act as though they are real, regarding the sensory world.

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              What is stopping you from having friends?

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              Myself I guess.

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                If humans are inherently evil, why is evil not the dominant force in the world? One would assume that if everyone were indeed evil, greedy, and out for themselves our existence could only be anarchy.

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                hy is evil not the dominant force in the world?

                It is tho, capitalistic cruelty literally runs on the blood and sweat of the lower classes, if that isn't evil I don't know what is

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                  If you were correct society as a whole would already exist as true anarchy, therefore humans are not inherently evil, greedy, or out for themselves. We could not coexist in any meaningful way if that were true.

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                  I really don't know where you get your assumptions from but they are terrible

                  The only reason society exists is because of a fucktonne of rules going back several thousand years about how you are supposed to behave in a society

                  If you want to see what barebones humans without societal rules, read up on feral children

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                    Can you elaborate?

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                    Sure!

                    Argument is that you can't just call something objectively evil or good. "Murder isn't evil, what if it was in self-defense."

                    That's overcomplicating it. If you weren't missing any context you could get around "what if" situations.

                    Now I don't think we can tell right from wrong at all times. Everything from personal experience, current position in history, and traits like greed make it hard for us. But still, there should be a right answer.

                    In practice this just means if I feel a topic is controversial to me, I will keep thinking or researching about it until I have a pretty stable stand. As opposed to "it's confusing so I don't want to think about."

                    I could at least get closer to right answer this way.
                    Hope this helps!

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                      This is an interesting take.

                      I like to think of Science as magic, because it really is.

                      Ancient peoples played with "Alchemy," and modern chemistry is simply that. They would lose it if they knew we could "grow" diamonds, or that we have created an entirely new element.

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                      Or that we’ve turned lead into gold, though not very cost-effectively to say the least.

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                        What Economic structure would you use in your ideal society?

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                        I am not well versed in the theory if economics.

                        In general terms and speaking purely in an ideal world, I would expect that a regulated market economy would allow the society to exploit the free market and the greed of humans, while providing a solid foundation of government services for it's citizens to rely on.

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                          I believe the pen in front of me exists.

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                            Why does the Universe have an opinion about existence?

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                            I dont believe it does.

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                              I believe I'd like another drink.

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                                God doesn't exist (though there is a tiny, tiny chance there's some higher power that doesn't intervene, because the human intelligence gap is unreasonably huge, making humans undeniably special)

                                Every organized religion is a cult

                                Free will is an illusion

                                Aliens most likely exist, given the insane size of the universe and we know life can exist here

                                Humans will still always give in to their brutal tribal instincts and that's why the world is how it is

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                                  Cogito ergo sum.

                                  Accepting a common framework of provable, i.e., measurable, repeatable, falsifiable phenomena, as a concept of "reality," seems to be a pragmatic approach, given my sensory inputs and the processing results of my brain. This is then "knowledge."

                                  But ultimately, this is subordinated to the possibility of an illusion – be it like in The Matrix, or as a Boltzmann brain, or whatever. Unless there is evidence for that, it appears most practical to me to go with the above, as I don't gain anything from racking my brain about such possible illusions of reality (even though it's fun thinking about it).

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                                  Or you might just be wrong or uninformed. That will certainly contribute to your current beliefs. Whenever you make a decision it is based on a belief. The belief being that you're making the best choice based on your other beliefs. Be it scientific measurements, theorems and equations, it always has a margin of error actual grandness of which we truly are unaware of, because all one can be are aware of are just models of reality embed in ones mind by sensory input one were able to recieve and ones mental capabilities. of course the beliefs which are practical are the most likely to survive the test of time, however it does not prove them to be absolutely true, they're just true enough for their application and propagation.The world is just too complex and unpredictable for human beings to operate in without considerate use of belief.

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                                    I really don't know where you get your assumptions from but they are terrible

                                    The only reason society exists is because of a fucktonne of rules going back several thousand years about how you are supposed to behave in a society

                                    If you want to see what barebones humans without societal rules, read up on feral children

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                                    I really don’t know where you get your assumptions from but they are terrible

                                    I simply followed the logic from "The human population of over 8 billion is inherently evil, and greedy", then determined that if that were true society couldn't exist in the state it does now.

                                    The only reason society exists is because of a fucktonne of rules going back several thousand years about how you are supposed to behave in a society

                                    If everyone were as you claimed them to be (Inherently Evil, Greedy, etc) they would not abide by those rules and society would exist in anarchy. This is the logical conclusion of your assertion regarding general human behavior. This means that humans cannot be inherently evil because we currently do not exist in anarchy where everyone is doing and taking what they want.

                                    If you want to see what barebones humans without societal rules, read up on feral children

                                    If you want to see any animal at their worst, put them in a life or death survival situation.

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                                      I believe the pen in front of me exists.

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                                      That coffee cup is suspicious though.

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                                        I really don’t know where you get your assumptions from but they are terrible

                                        I simply followed the logic from "The human population of over 8 billion is inherently evil, and greedy", then determined that if that were true society couldn't exist in the state it does now.

                                        The only reason society exists is because of a fucktonne of rules going back several thousand years about how you are supposed to behave in a society

                                        If everyone were as you claimed them to be (Inherently Evil, Greedy, etc) they would not abide by those rules and society would exist in anarchy. This is the logical conclusion of your assertion regarding general human behavior. This means that humans cannot be inherently evil because we currently do not exist in anarchy where everyone is doing and taking what they want.

                                        If you want to see what barebones humans without societal rules, read up on feral children

                                        If you want to see any animal at their worst, put them in a life or death survival situation.

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                                        The human population of over 8 billion is inherently evil, and greedy”, then determined that if that were true society couldn’t exist in the state it does now

                                        That is a baseless assumption, not a foundation for a logical argument. You have to change it into a question in order for it to be a hypothesis

                                        Otherwise you are just making stuff up and justifying it to sound good

                                        If you want to see any animal at their worst, put them in a life or death survival situation.

                                        Incorrect, and based of of feelings of what sounds good instead of truth.

                                        Humans at their worst is when they have power over other humans and consider them subhuman. This is not a baseless assumption like yours, but rather based off of history and psychology. A desperate person in a life or death situation may kill a few, but out of desperation not cruelty. A person with power over others he considers subhuman can kill MILLIONS

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                                          The human population of over 8 billion is inherently evil, and greedy”, then determined that if that were true society couldn’t exist in the state it does now

                                          That is a baseless assumption, not a foundation for a logical argument. You have to change it into a question in order for it to be a hypothesis

                                          Otherwise you are just making stuff up and justifying it to sound good

                                          If you want to see any animal at their worst, put them in a life or death survival situation.

                                          Incorrect, and based of of feelings of what sounds good instead of truth.

                                          Humans at their worst is when they have power over other humans and consider them subhuman. This is not a baseless assumption like yours, but rather based off of history and psychology. A desperate person in a life or death situation may kill a few, but out of desperation not cruelty. A person with power over others he considers subhuman can kill MILLIONS

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                                          Whatever you say bud.

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