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    The teacher is fucking stupid. The question says Marty ate more, that is not only possible it is a given.

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      I... Um... I've been looking at this for a minute and I can't tell why the answer is unconventional, nor what the fuck the teacher is on about.

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      The kid answered correctly, it's not unconventional at all, the teacher is just stupid

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        Given 4/6 x > 5/6 y therefore x > 5/4 y

        Marty's Pizza must have been more than a quarter larger than Luis'. The kid is exactly right.

        And the teacher is not flexible enough to engage outside their expectations for how the question was supposed to be answered.

        Clearly the expectation was for the kids to take the unstated assumption that the two pizzas were of the same size, and reject the premise as unreasonable (note the heading "Reasonableness").

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        I'm pretty sure the kid's answer was how it was supposed to be answered

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          It’s fucking dumb. No where did it say the pizzas are equal size. So the kids answer is just as right as her bullshit answer.

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          But... The teacher is just flat-out wrong. It says right there in the problem that Marty ate more, and then uses that fact as a foundation for the question of "x is true, HOW can x be true". It'd be different if the question was "someone claims x is true; is it?"

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            So this is sort of a true/false math problem given to us, the viewer, out of context.

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            #101

            How is that possible?

            "False"

            🤷‍♂️

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              In my experience this is how it feels to communicate as an autistic person

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              Interesting, I'm autistic and what frustrates me here is that the question specifically asks you to posit "How is it possible" and the teacher insists that you're supposed to just say that it's not. Makes me want to just Calvinball the whole damn exam. 5 + 7, what is the answer? Purple. Obviously.

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                The teacher is fucking stupid. The question says Marty ate more, that is not only possible it is a given.

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                I agree, the kid is correct. This is the only viable answer.

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                  The teacher is fucking stupid. The question says Marty ate more, that is not only possible it is a given.

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                  The teacher is fucking stupid.

                  The teacher is likely under-trained, overworked, and under-qualified for the class. Common in districts where the focus of the administration is driving down the cost of education rather than delivering the highest quality.

                  That is, of course, assuming this is a real homework and not some agitprop churned out by a Facebook group or a social media account more interested in generating outrage than education.

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                    "This is not possible because..."

                    This kid is never going to trust teachers again.

                    He was right. The question is not even worded ambiguously. It was just written very poorly.

                    Will the teacher admit that? Or is the expectation that this (likely neuro divergent) student should have just understood the expectations based on context clues or something?

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                    This kid is never going to trust teachers again.

                    If one bad response is enough to turn you off from anyone else teaching you anything ever, then you're carrying some enormous trauma that has nothing to do with a single math question.

                    If one bad response is enough to open your eyes to the fallibility of individuals and lead you to think more deeply about where you get your information and how you evaluate the correctness of a response, then you're going to go far and develop a much deeper understanding of the world.

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                      It’s fucking dumb. No where did it say the pizzas are equal size. So the kids answer is just as right as her bullshit answer.

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                      No, the kid's answer is not "just as right", it is the correct and expected answer. The teacher's answer is wrong and proof the teacher doesn't understand the question. The entire point of the question is understanding that fractions of a whole are relative to that whole and you can't directly compare fractions from different wholes like that. 5/6 > 4/6 doesn't mean Luis ate more pizza than Marty, it means Luis ate a larger share of his pizza than Marty ate out of his own.

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                        How is that possible?

                        "False"

                        🤷‍♂️

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                        By stating the answer given by the problem is wrong, and “showing the work” to demonstrate why it’s wrong.

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                        • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                          The teacher is fucking stupid.

                          The teacher is likely under-trained, overworked, and under-qualified for the class. Common in districts where the focus of the administration is driving down the cost of education rather than delivering the highest quality.

                          That is, of course, assuming this is a real homework and not some agitprop churned out by a Facebook group or a social media account more interested in generating outrage than education.

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                          With the choice of marker, I'd say its rage bait.

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                            "This is not possible because..."

                            This kid is never going to trust teachers again.

                            He was right. The question is not even worded ambiguously. It was just written very poorly.

                            Will the teacher admit that? Or is the expectation that this (likely neuro divergent) student should have just understood the expectations based on context clues or something?

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                            Valuable lesson learned, trust yourself instead of authority ( I hope at least that was it and not start of self doubting ever after)

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                              "This is not possible because..."

                              This kid is never going to trust teachers again.

                              He was right. The question is not even worded ambiguously. It was just written very poorly.

                              Will the teacher admit that? Or is the expectation that this (likely neuro divergent) student should have just understood the expectations based on context clues or something?

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                              This kid is never going to trust that teacher again.

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                                In my experience this is how it feels to communicate as an autistic person

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                                Most threads on here remind me of that

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                                  When I was in elementary, my teacher said that "Lutetia" was how the Romans called the city of Liege. As an avid reader of Asterix comics, I knew this isn't true and corrected her and said it was the Roman name of Paris. She insisted that it is Liege. Anyway, the next day, she came back to class and said that she looked it up and that I was indeed correct and Lutetia referred to Paris and gave me a chocolate bar and told me to keep reading comics. Good teacher.

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                                  Dang, in which country are you talking about Liège in elementary school?

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                                    With the choice of marker, I'd say its rage bait.

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                                    Can confirm. My grad mentor's grad mentor used green because he'd read a paper that green causes more eye strain and he thought it'd be hilarious to grade in green.

                                    I grade in green because it drives my students nuts.

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                                      it’s much easier to just substract 2 from 2000, “IIMM” duh!

                                      For anyone wondering why this is wrong, there are two reasons:

                                      1. The roman numeral system only traditionally contains subtractions from the next higher five- and tenfold symbol. So you can subtract I from V and X, X from L and C, C from D and M

                                      2. The subtractions only generally allowed one symbol to be subtracted, with a few notable exceptions like XIIX for 18 and XXIIX for 28

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                                      Holy shit this is dope!

                                      But how did historians come up with the conclusion that, in the case of XIIX, the Romans substracted from the second X, and didn’t just write 12+10?

                                      Not arguing, just extremely curious

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                                        You introduced a lie as part of the problem

                                        There is no lie or contradiction in the problem, what are you smoking? The kid's answer is exactly correct.

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                                        Marty ate more than Luis, that was she lie, in the problem not the answer. That's if the teacher is saying the answer isn't right.

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                                          Marty ate more than Luis, that was she lie, in the problem not the answer. That's if the teacher is saying the answer isn't right.

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                                          The teacher didn't write OR understand the question. It's about reasonableness - that is, not just mindlessly solving math. The solution is that Marty's pizza was bigger, so 4/6 of that was more than 5/6 of Luis', smaller pizza.

                                          There is no lie. The teached is just dumb. Or more likely overworked, but wrong nontheless.

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