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a harry potter fan's guide to navigating pride month

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  • M [email protected]

    Too bad, trans people are more important than your pottertreats. If trans people say something is hurting them just stop doing it. Don't get into the nitty gritty of "how much harm does it do really?" make as wide a distance as you can to it.

    As for this specific instance its not even hard to see how it is harming trans people: talking about hp keeps it in the spotlight which generats more sales.

    Why wouldn't you purge the franchise that funds trans genocide from your life??

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    I want to be respectful here, but this has a lot of issues embedded in it.

    This kind of rhetoric rises from what I've called the Authoritarian Left, which is an immensely detrimental wing. It's a group where there is no nuance.

    You say that if a trans person says it's hurting them I should stop doing it. OK, but what if a republican says it? Now suddenly I should ignore them? You can't base your entire ideology on what members of groups say or demand that others adhere to yours simply because you think you're right.

    I love trans people, and I actively fight for them and their rights. But why? I'll tell you, it's not because Democrats told me to love them, or a religious leader, or anyone in politics. I looked at the world critically and found their cause worthy.

    I'm a durable ally. I'll stick with it when it's not cool or trendy, or when it comes at a cost. But that's because I arrived at those truths myself.

    To loop all the way back to the premise - if talking about Harry Potter at all hurts Trans people, then this post hurts trans people. If you disagree with that, then nuance exists. And I'm saying in the nuance of how and who I talk about any topic with, I know and understand that those people understand the situation.

    I don't make public posts about Harry Potter. I often talk about how JK Rowling is a garbage person. My friends have a Harry Potter party that they've been hosting for years, and every person there is of a similar mindset that trans people deserve so much more than they are getting.

    You have to allow more than one idea in your head at the same time. If you're making the rule "talking about Harry Potter in any way, at any time, makes you an active enemy of the trans movement", then that's not a place I want to be associated with.

    If you want advice - focus on how JK Rowling is harming people. Elevate that as much as you can. When you make these purity tests, you make people not give a shit because it makes it impossible to adhere to the strict and narrow path you say is OK.

    This authoritarian left wing of democrats is what got Trump elected. They are so hard nosed on every issue they completely isolate people and make these issues harder to fight for, not easier. You're heart is in the right place, but we live in a world full of nuance, and the real trick is not scolding people into adherence, but it's coalition building and asking people to think critically about their choices. They have to find their beliefs, you can't just demand them.

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      I personally haven’t heard anyone go from being neutral to anti trans from jk Rowling bringing up a new perspective but instead have heard people from both the right and the left criticize her. Trump on the other hand radicalized the average bush era Republican into the MAGA cult we see today that is unafraid to openly show hate

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      I guess if you're not up to date with the politics of the UK that it would seem like he had a much larger influence than her. We are talking about trans politics only here, don't forget.

      To put it in a different perspective, look at how many people that don't agree with Trump's politics that interact with his businesses, compared to the same for JK.

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        Honestly I only got the urge to watch the movies again because people on Lemmy wouldn't shut up about her

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        #57

        The books are good and the movies are good. Young people of the internet forget the kind of childish shit we had before Harry Potter.

        Also the movies have fucking Hans Gruber who tries to kill John McPotter and that was awesome.

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          Yeah, I'm gonna stop enjoying fun books or movies because somebody else is upset about the author...

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            I would love to understand why saying "Don't support cunts" is such a non-controversial statement.

            Until it comes to Harry Potter.

            Especially considering how simple it is to do.

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              I would love to understand why saying "Don't support cunts" is such a non-controversial statement.

              Until it comes to Harry Potter.

              Especially considering how simple it is to do.

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              Same thing for nintendo

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                Same thing for nintendo

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                Nintendo just has a weird concept of protecting their property. Rowling instead is an arsehole

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                  I’ll never. Ever. Understand being rich enough to enjoy the rest of your life and choosing to spend that wealth harming innocent people.

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                  Hmm so I have 51.397.624.942 dollars, lets get that to 52BN, right?

                  It's so stupid.

                  In my humble opinion it also breaks the social contract; where money is used as a substitute for labour, no one should have hundreds(or wayore ofc) of lifetimes of labour sitting in an account, it doesn't even make sense.

                  How on earth can this be changed/reformed? Having the ability to gift someone a lifetime of labour is a very powerful incentive, one that we did not vote for when it comes to the billonaires.

                  Am I making sense?

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                    I made the same decision with Brandon Sanderson and his fuckin fanclub takes it extremely personally when I point out how problematic he is as an author.

                    Yes, his writing is good. Yes, his writing is remarkably inclusive with regards to sexual orientation, disability, and mental illness.

                    However, Brandon is a Mormon first and foremost, and actively tithes to his church. That means a significant percentage of ALL Dragonsteel profits go directly towards the suppression and disenfranchisement of LGBTQ+ programs, sex education, and effective mental health services.

                    He might write a good story, but his IRL politics are repugnant.

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                      Normally I’d agree, but Harry Potter is already huge.

                      And while I think this whole response is a bit extreme, it is a case of her source of wealth being way more famous than herself.

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                      I can get behind being in spite of her & other wealthy elites but I can’t abandon what my time with those books meant to me despite of her spite. So, y’all can guillotine her, I’ll still keep the books. But it really is the case that when I hear about her it’s because of these kinds of posts nowadays.

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                        Yeah, I'm gonna stop enjoying fun books or movies because somebody else is upset about the author...

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                        Tbf there were likely people saying the same thing about meine kampf when Jewish people were going missing.

                        I've never really been a HP fan, so it doesn't bother me. And as a straight white male, pride has fuck all to do with me... Buuuut I'm capable of seeing why trans communities would take issue with her inflammatory statements, and funding of discrimination against them.

                        Her latest venture is entirely funded by her, and aims to provide legal support for fighting against trans inclusion; Regardless of whether you agree with trans people, surely you can understand why they wouldn't want to fund that?

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                        • M [email protected]

                          Why wouldn't you purge the franchise that funds trans genocide from your life?

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                          Because there's nothing wrong with enjoying the franchise as long as you aren't supporting it.

                          Books are available secondhand. Games and movies can be pirated. It doesn't cost anything to talk about a shared interest with friends.

                          Just don't give them money. Don't go to their theme parks. Don't buy the merchandise.

                          You can like a thing and still make a conscious effort not to support the creator. You just have to be clear about the why if anyone asks you about it.

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                            I know this is going to generate hate but, I just cant care anymore. She's a genuine POS who won't be missed but its my one single escape from reality. Im far to exhausted trying to tiptoe around everyone who's a POS. I'd say I'll stay at home but my builders were probably a POS too and I gotta go sell my house to make SOMEONE happy. If others wanna get her canceled and by some magic remove everything shes ever done from existence I'll make sure not to get upset but Im done being asked to be a soldier in every battle against a bad person.

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                            Did the rest of your books, local library and internet connection burn in a freak accident? Why couldn't you just read anything else, which would also likely be better?

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                              It’s basically impossible to be perfect, pirating the work stops the money from going to jk Rowling which therefore stops it from going to anti trans groups.

                              Shopping at Home Depot hurts trans people
                              Using Amazon hurts trans people
                              Shopping at basically any big box store hurts trans people

                              They are a heavily oppressed group and you aren’t able to live your life perfectly so don’t sweat pirating a game

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                              Yeah but it's not like this is the best literature has to offer, nobody would really lose anything by just not reading a very mid saga.

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                                Either way, you'd be lying if u said his artwork his shit.

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                                It's bad

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                                  Yeah but it's not like this is the best literature has to offer, nobody would really lose anything by just not reading a very mid saga.

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                                  The movies are good, but the story is also the weakest link. You could swap the story and maintain everything else and it'd probably be just as good if not better.

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                                    Go read Le Guin's Earthsea books instead, which are genuinely better written, and LeGuin was a great person who wrote a lot of socially progressive literature. Not to mention that it hasn't been turned into a fucking corporate media franchise like LOTR.

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                                    JK Rowling:

                                    We've all got both light and dark inside us. What matters is the part we choose to act on. That's who we really are.

                                    Proceeds to fund fascists

                                    Ursula K. Le Guin :

                                    Fantasy is escapist, and that is its glory. If a soldier is imprisoned by the enemy, don’t we consider it his duty to escape? The moneylenders, the knownothings, the authoritarians have us all in prison; if we value the freedom of the mind and soul, if we’re partisans of liberty, then it’s our plain duty to escape, and to take as many people with us as we can.

                                    (Apparently frequently misattributed to Tolkien. I love his writings but the man was not nearly as based as Ursula Le Guin)

                                    I know this has energy, but I did try to look for a Rowling quote that wasn't some uninspired one-liner that she unconsciously copied from some Disney movie

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                                      Same thing for nintendo

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                                      There is a huge difference between a company being very protective about their intellectual property and somebody actively working on destroying lives on humans.

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                                        If you wanna play the game, pirate it and then play it offline.

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                                          Tbf there were likely people saying the same thing about meine kampf when Jewish people were going missing.

                                          I've never really been a HP fan, so it doesn't bother me. And as a straight white male, pride has fuck all to do with me... Buuuut I'm capable of seeing why trans communities would take issue with her inflammatory statements, and funding of discrimination against them.

                                          Her latest venture is entirely funded by her, and aims to provide legal support for fighting against trans inclusion; Regardless of whether you agree with trans people, surely you can understand why they wouldn't want to fund that?

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                                          You're comparing a book about wizards and magic to... Mein Kampf?

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