Austria to tighten gun laws after recent school shooting. Applying for a gun license will require taking a serious psychological test. There will be a "cooling off phase" after ordering a weapon.
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Ah yes, Afearican's never worry, famously.
That is a socioeconomic issue. Maybe you should read up on the Mississippi Freedom Movement and its relationship with firearms and the civil rights movement that hasn't been whitewashed by white America.
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For real, avoiding those areas they mentioned only does two things
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Shows that they fear getting shot or stabbed in those areas, which is directly counter to their attestation.
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Indicates they're probably super racist, because how do you tell what is or isn't a "gang area"?
Kids here are afraid to go to school (for good reason), and people like this refuse to consider ANY worthwhile fixes.
The data is entirely clear, gun regulations reduce gun violence. Full stop.
You're making a lot of assumptions there friend.
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Oh, Austria!!
I always confuse Austria with Baluchistan!
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You're making a lot of assumptions there friend.
I'll own that
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Fortunately you (unless you are Austrian) have no voice in the matter.
Kinda yes but no? There's minimum standards for gun control in the EU and thus the "right to bear arms" countries (Austria, Czechia, Poland, Baltic states, Finland) regularly have work cut out for them when the framework gets tightened while the "may issue" and "don't issue" countries are perpetually in overcompliance.
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Soooo, we then just go back to handing guns to anyone?
Sorry, but with that attitude we can't improve anything. How about we just keep it a psychology test?
Do you think that the average person is a killer but the only thing that stops them are the tools they have available?
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For real, avoiding those areas they mentioned only does two things
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Shows that they fear getting shot or stabbed in those areas, which is directly counter to their attestation.
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Indicates they're probably super racist, because how do you tell what is or isn't a "gang area"?
Kids here are afraid to go to school (for good reason), and people like this refuse to consider ANY worthwhile fixes.
The data is entirely clear, gun regulations reduce gun violence. Full stop.
Kids here are afraid to go to school (for good reason),
Why? Who is abusing their kids by trying to convince them that they should be afraid of school?
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Kids here are afraid to go to school (for good reason),
Why? Who is abusing their kids by trying to convince them that they should be afraid of school?
They're afraid because people keep going to them and shooting kids indiscriminately. They have to do active shooter drills because it's such a common occurrence. They don't need convincing, it's obvious
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And get safer cars. The US has some kind of car arms race going on where you need a super large heavy car to be safe because the roads are full of big heavy cars... Resulting in much more deadly crashes for everyone. Besides most states driving test is a joke.
Cars are much safer than they used to be.
Over the shoulder seat belts, ABS, airbags, crumple zones, stability control, etc all help prevent accidents and he'll you walk away from any that still happen.
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Wow kneejerk pseudo-science enshrined into law because one person out of 10,000,000 used a gun to kill someone. Do you think if he had used a car instead you'd see a similar response? why or why not?
i started to respond but there are so many things wrong with your inane hypothetical i quit a couple paragraphs in. just fucking light up some neurons
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Cars are much safer than they used to be, so why get trucks and SUV instead as these are exempt from a number of car safety requirements (like crumple zones) in the US. They have a likelihood of causing fatal unjuries when they collide with other cars and pedestrians that is 8 times higher than the average sedan, according to a UK study. Due to their size, weight and bad visibility for obstacles close by, they are also much more likely to crash into stuff.
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They're afraid because people keep going to them and shooting kids indiscriminately. They have to do active shooter drills because it's such a common occurrence. They don't need convincing, it's obvious
Yikes. Normalizing exotic scenarios. My daughter is afraid of thunder, a much more logical and reasonable fear. Any kid that is afraid of going to school because maybe someone will be on the news is a victim of abuse. If you can't trust your fellow man, you can't be trusted to participate in society.
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i started to respond but there are so many things wrong with your inane hypothetical i quit a couple paragraphs in. just fucking light up some neurons
wrote on last edited by [email protected]i started to respond but there are so many things wrong with your inane hypothetical i quit a couple paragraphs in. just fucking light up some neurons
Yikes. It took you multiple paragraphs before you understood how goddamn reactionary the Austrian response is. And while you understand it's wrong, you refuse to accept it. Liberal to the core. Please do not vote again for everyone's sake.
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Cars are much safer than they used to be.
Over the shoulder seat belts, ABS, airbags, crumple zones, stability control, etc all help prevent accidents and he'll you walk away from any that still happen.
They are safe for car passengers, and a nightmare for everyone else on the street. High hoods with bad sight for drivers and awful impact profile for pedestrians, heavy cars which make low speed collisions much more deadly for everyone not protected by 3 tons of steel. Safety should be for everyone, not only car passengers.
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"serious psychology test"
Until someone from a different political party comes in and turns it into a "political party loyalty test"
That would take a majority vote, not only a single party change. Our system here in austria isn't perfect (like most of the world), but it is not the broken mess the US have.
Regardless, i'd say the move to stronger regulation is welcome here. The shooter had his guns legally, even tho he was deemed unfit for military service, which screams "regulatory hole to fix ASAP"
looks like there is broad support for making sure that whoever wants a gun to be stable enough to handle them without shooting up a school.
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The main issue I have with laws like these is... once the person who "needed to cool off" has the gun all they need is to get hot-headed again and this time there isn't a cool-off period for them to access it.
The psychology "test" is all fine and good, but a test doesn't tell you what an actual licensed psychologist can. Way too easy for someone to just lie on a test if they know what the "right" answers are. A lot more difficult to hide dangerous personality traits in front of another human being. Step it up one more notch to requiring a psychological evaluation.
The "Test" will probably be in line with a psych eval like we already have for our military, which will be enough for cases like this, because he was unfit to serve.
he was still able to get a gun licence, because in austria you are only blocked from getting a gun licence (for 15 years IIRC) if you refuse to serve in the military on ethical grounds and do civil service instead, and the data from the military evaluation is kept secret because of privacy laws.
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Beethoven being born in Germany and Hitler being born in Austria was one of those trivia facts I learned as a 12 year old — or thereabouts; I forget how old I was — that made me question everything. I was obviously, by definition, uneducated at that age but I had just sort of lumped “classical music=Vienna” and “Hitler=Germany.”
It’s obviously an odd fact to blow a kid’s mind and there were many more such moments to come but, for some reason, that factoid was a very effective one on my journey to realizing I didn’t know shit. (A journey I’m still on, even on things I have a degree in or worked on. Nothing teaches you how much you don’t know like learning enough to realize you haven’t even scratched the surface.)
Technically speaking Beethoven was born in Austria. Austrian Netherlands that is (current day Belgium), owned by the Habsburgs.
Or even more generally, he was born in the Holy Roman Empire of Germanic Nations (today Switzerland, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, parts of France, parts of Poland, Austria, Czechia, Germany) and died in the Austrian Empire.
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Do you think that the average person is a killer but the only thing that stops them are the tools they have available?
Should we every single person this planet access to nuclear weapons? Mutually Assured Destruction has kept us save from nuclear war thus far. Clearly this applies not just on the state but on the individual level as well.
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Cars are much safer than they used to be, so why get trucks and SUV instead as these are exempt from a number of car safety requirements (like crumple zones) in the US. They have a likelihood of causing fatal unjuries when they collide with other cars and pedestrians that is 8 times higher than the average sedan, according to a UK study. Due to their size, weight and bad visibility for obstacles close by, they are also much more likely to crash into stuff.
I mean, I would love North America as a whole not need to rely on cars as much as we do now. This involves building walkable neighborhoods and investment in public transit. But the car lobby is not going to let that happen. Same with the gun lobby in the US.
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i started to respond but there are so many things wrong with your inane hypothetical i quit a couple paragraphs in. just fucking light up some neurons
Yikes. It took you multiple paragraphs before you understood how goddamn reactionary the Austrian response is. And while you understand it's wrong, you refuse to accept it. Liberal to the core. Please do not vote again for everyone's sake.
YOU are what's wrong with America, and the world.
