Dear slim
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While I’d like to see the Iranian people not be subject to Israeli ‘acceptable civilian deaths’ calculus and have their country cucked like Syria/Lybia, I'm also not hype on their government leaders getting that same MAD protection as well, because they absolutely don’t deserve it
I feel with the clear and present danger of being attacked nuclearly by 2 of the most heavily nuclear armed nation USA and Israel, if any country does deserve nuclear arms if only as a deterrent, is Iran.
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Iran "seems to want peace" because they throw weapons and money at terrorist organisations to do their dirty work instead. They are not, and have never been interested in peace, they just don't like having their name associated with the actions, so they hire outside help to murder people instead. With the amount of support through money, weapons and supplies Iran has given the Houthis and Hamas, do you really want them to have access to nuclear weapons?
Only retaliation option Iran has against US proxies Israel, Saudi Arabia is either proxy war or nuclear arms. If development of nuclear weapon reduces proxy war then that is a good option.
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Okay, but if literal Caucasians from Caucasia don't count as white, then wtf does white even mean.
White is Israel and US Republican elites.
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Okay, but if literal Caucasians from Caucasia don't count as white, then wtf does white even mean.
"White" is whatever the racists want to establish as the civilized norm which needs to defend itself against the non-white barbarians.
Arguing with "caucasians are from Caucasia" is stooping to the racist's level of discourse. You shouldn't argue with Nazis about the nature of "Aryans", either.
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Iran "seems to want peace" because they throw weapons and money at terrorist organisations to do their dirty work instead. They are not, and have never been interested in peace, they just don't like having their name associated with the actions, so they hire outside help to murder people instead. With the amount of support through money, weapons and supplies Iran has given the Houthis and Hamas, do you really want them to have access to nuclear weapons?
You seem to make the cardinal mistake to mix foreign politics of countries with moral judgements. That's not how you will ever be able to understand politics.
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Are 2000 pounder JDAM dropped on gazan civilian buildings more moral than a cluster bomb?
gazan civilian tents
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Okay, but if literal Caucasians from Caucasia don't count as white, then wtf does white even mean.
then wtf does white even mean
nothing, that’s the whole point of whiteness
its a made up in-group created to justify and facilitate european colonialism
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Iran "seems to want peace" because they throw weapons and money at terrorist organisations to do their dirty work instead. They are not, and have never been interested in peace, they just don't like having their name associated with the actions, so they hire outside help to murder people instead. With the amount of support through money, weapons and supplies Iran has given the Houthis and Hamas, do you really want them to have access to nuclear weapons?
I don't want anyone to have access to nuclear weapons, since you asked.
But the reality is that some countries, including Israel and the United States, already have them. These two countries are currently engaged in military and terroristic activity in multiple international venues. So if that's the rules that the big boys are playing with, and then someone else comes along and considers whether they might want to join the party too, your question is I think irresponsible. What you should have been asking is, what is likely to keep the Iranian people safer, nukes or no nukes?
In Palestine and Israel and Iran, it's fine to look at the governments and say how bad they are, and you may well be right, or maybe not, I don't know. But we can look at the people whose lives are being destroyed or permanently ended and wish that those numbers went down. If the administrations are full of evil jerks and they stay in power but the death count drops, that's still a good thing.
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You mean the country currently starving 2 million people for the crime of their ethnicity and the one attacking sovereign nations to keep their parliament together?
Yes, Death cults like Israel shouldn't have nukes.
Yes. Yes I do. Per Samson Option, Isreal has nukes aimed at not only their enemies, but their allies as well. The simple logic of MAD does not quite apply.
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Yeah, the rule is: "when death cults like Israel and the USA keep attacking you, you need that nuke"
wrote on last edited by [email protected]MAD only works when your opponent is afraid of dying. When your motivation is the promise of an afterlife, like all the Abrahamic religions give, it's a more precarious situation.
So the US, Israel AND Iran should not have nukes. I know two of the three already do have them, but I'm not sure that the last one getting nukes will actually make things more stable. Especially when the first two are being run by geriatrics.
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They absolutely should open the investigation tho. All war criminals, no matter if Israeli or Iranian belong in prisons, not governments.
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Are 2000 pounder JDAM dropped on gazan civilian buildings more moral than a cluster bomb?
The moral calculus of bombs is a truly fucked up thing.
If the JDAM is driving a single conventional warhead, it is more ethical than a cluster bomb.
It is common for some of the cluster bomblets to not detonate creating unknown minefields that persist for decades. A single bomb only goes off once.
(This is the ethics of the bomb, not the conflict they're used in)
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While I’d like to see the Iranian people not be subject to Israeli ‘acceptable civilian deaths’ calculus and have their country cucked like Syria/Lybia, I'm also not hype on their government leaders getting that same MAD protection as well, because they absolutely don’t deserve it
You don't build nukes to use them
You build nukes so you don't get nuked
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Okay, but if literal Caucasians from Caucasia don't count as white, then wtf does white even mean.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It's anyone who can go out wearing cargo shorts, tall socks, and trainers without being immediately made fun of.
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Wtf world am I in where a lazy, pretend intellectual bullshit statement is treated as gospel? Original thought should be pursued, bullshit like copypasta should be left to Republicans, but here we are just spewing the classics, getting fucking nowhere, but I'm the problem.
Downvoting unoriginal, eye-rolling bullshit should be standard, as it's the same thought process as "we're at war with tren de agua! They're invading with other violent gangs!" Defending the same dumb bullshit is like defending. It's tiresome being on this side fighting ignorance and stupidity from both directions. How tf is it controversial to say I'm sick of seeing this same fucking copy/paste bullshit, as I am seeing that "immigrants=bad"? Stop being lazy. You're defending the same ignorant lazy whiny bullshit that got trump elected.
No fucking wonder we're heading to civil war and losing. Honestly, I welcome it at this point. Posting the same brain-dead quotes and acting like that's resistance? I'm done, I'll just watch the world burn and treat all Americans as hostile. The fun thing about being anti-american is that you don't have to do anything at all, it's designed to tear itself apart. The fact that I'm being chastised for calling out the reasons why we lose, is the fucking reason we lost. Enjoy thunderdome.
So a user drops a common quote and now you want civil war? And you expect anyone reading this drivel to take your belly-aching seriously?
Nobody care that you don't like a quote. Stop crying like a groyper.
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You don't build nukes to use them
You build nukes so you don't get nuked
Depending on who "you" is that, you're mostly right
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They absolutely should open the investigation tho. All war criminals, no matter if Israeli or Iranian belong in prisons, not governments.
They absolutely should not. One sided enforcement is worse than no enforcement for perception of justice and stabilizing geopolitical norms.
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The moral calculus of bombs is a truly fucked up thing.
If the JDAM is driving a single conventional warhead, it is more ethical than a cluster bomb.
It is common for some of the cluster bomblets to not detonate creating unknown minefields that persist for decades. A single bomb only goes off once.
(This is the ethics of the bomb, not the conflict they're used in)
Okay but if it hits a full apartment building, 100% of that bomb goes to killing unaware civilians.
Which is the whole reason cluster munitions are bad.
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While I’d like to see the Iranian people not be subject to Israeli ‘acceptable civilian deaths’ calculus and have their country cucked like Syria/Lybia, I'm also not hype on their government leaders getting that same MAD protection as well, because they absolutely don’t deserve it
The only fuvkers i want to have it less are the protocols larpers.
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Depending on who "you" is that, you're mostly right
Stop pretending iran is less rational than the protocols larpers.
