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Trump can pull the plug on the internet, and Europe can’t do anything about it

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  • T [email protected]

    Honestly, as an American living in Silicon Valley, I would be overjoyed if Europe became the primary kickstarter for open source alternatives to the existing US corporate infrastructure, that bends to the knees of the Federal government. Even here at home, myself and some of my co-workers aren't too keen on the existing status quo tools because there are too many caveats - from rent seeking subscriptions to the inability to verify if something is tampered with.

    In the same way Valve saw how having all their eggs in the Windows basket led them to dive head first into linux development, I hope the EU's realization of the risks in the US tech sector lead it to developing unified, well funded OSS alternatives. I would certainly install them.

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    as a European formerly living in silicon valley.. we are working on it. and thanks to the orange turd in charge it's been fast-tracked.
    and when all hell breaks loose, we'll just stop sending ASML machines your way. best of luck idiots (not all of you)

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      Talk about clickbait ......
      Article title: trump can pull the plug on the internet and europe can't do anything about it (my emphasis)
      First line: the U.S. could unplug Europe from the digital world (not "pull the plug on the internet")
      And then further down: "The fatal vulnerability is Europe’s near-total dependency on U.S. cloud providers."

      So first, it's "the internet", then it's "unplug europe from the digital world", then it's "europe's dependency on US cloud providers"

      So it's NOT "the internet", and it's NOT "unplug europe", it's disconnect european customers from US cloud providers.

      Methinks Monseiur Pollet doesn't understand very much about the internet.

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      It's even less of a thing. Things like AWS have datacenters in Europe, where most of Europe-side of traffic is hosted. Even if Trump made executive decisions to stop any internets companies doing business in Europe, it would have ZERO impact on the subsidy. Any cloud issues would really only impact "vertical scaling cloud-native" bullshit software, there are plenty and most reasonable companies are based on more sane (and less expensive) hosting solutions, which are in-house European.

      Takes a massive fool to think European companies are basing their data in US continent, where the ping would be >150ms, and speeds would be far slower and less manageable.

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        as a European formerly living in silicon valley.. we are working on it. and thanks to the orange turd in charge it's been fast-tracked.
        and when all hell breaks loose, we'll just stop sending ASML machines your way. best of luck idiots (not all of you)

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        Hey, just put the word out for my work visa, please! XD

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          Talk about clickbait ......
          Article title: trump can pull the plug on the internet and europe can't do anything about it (my emphasis)
          First line: the U.S. could unplug Europe from the digital world (not "pull the plug on the internet")
          And then further down: "The fatal vulnerability is Europe’s near-total dependency on U.S. cloud providers."

          So first, it's "the internet", then it's "unplug europe from the digital world", then it's "europe's dependency on US cloud providers"

          So it's NOT "the internet", and it's NOT "unplug europe", it's disconnect european customers from US cloud providers.

          Methinks Monseiur Pollet doesn't understand very much about the internet.

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          Methinks Monseiur Pollet doesn't understand very much about the internet.

          It's like tubes. With trucks in them. It's simple!

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            Hey, just put the word out for my work visa, please! XD

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            they're expanding, so most likely hiring.
            the world can't get enough of the 2 nm chips (not much more smaller after that for probably a decade).
            they're building machines as fast as they can.
            I'm a CNC machinist and have made plenty of parts for them and have friends that assemble cleanroom parts for them.
            plenty of work to go around.
            you don't even need to speak Dutch there, English is fine.
            and guess what? we even have great public transportation.
            come one come all, apply today!
            and get away from that hellhole the US has become. it used to be us (one for all, all for one), now it's just them the elite.
            I lived there 24 yrs, from the golden age of silicon valley (late 90s) to its inevitable enshittification.
            glad I got out before it's demise.

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              they're expanding, so most likely hiring.
              the world can't get enough of the 2 nm chips (not much more smaller after that for probably a decade).
              they're building machines as fast as they can.
              I'm a CNC machinist and have made plenty of parts for them and have friends that assemble cleanroom parts for them.
              plenty of work to go around.
              you don't even need to speak Dutch there, English is fine.
              and guess what? we even have great public transportation.
              come one come all, apply today!
              and get away from that hellhole the US has become. it used to be us (one for all, all for one), now it's just them the elite.
              I lived there 24 yrs, from the golden age of silicon valley (late 90s) to its inevitable enshittification.
              glad I got out before it's demise.

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              I'm currently hosed by the fact that I am in the middle of completing my Electrical Engineeing degree (approx. 2 years left), and I don't believe my credits would be transferable to an institution across the Atlantic (never mind the cost, shudder), so I can't even think about escaping until at least 2027.

              If there's a better way forward so I can safely leave the nation and still achieve my degree, I'm all ears, but at least to me it seems my hands are a bit tied.

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                It would also mean a huge hit on their own tech sector, if not near wipeout.

                It’s one of those situations that, sure, they could, just like a monkey could purposely snap the branch where he and his friend are sitting on and both fall.

                As for Europe, yes, it would be a painful transition, but eventually it could build its own infrastructure anyway

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                  I'm currently hosed by the fact that I am in the middle of completing my Electrical Engineeing degree (approx. 2 years left), and I don't believe my credits would be transferable to an institution across the Atlantic (never mind the cost, shudder), so I can't even think about escaping until at least 2027.

                  If there's a better way forward so I can safely leave the nation and still achieve my degree, I'm all ears, but at least to me it seems my hands are a bit tied.

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                  I'm not too knowledgable about schooling and transfer credits but I would def send a letter (or email) to ASML describing your current school (perhaps not political) situation and who knows, maybe they pay for the whole ride. paid learning is a thing here.
                  I believe as well visas for critical jobs. doesn't hurt to ask

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                    It's even less of a thing. Things like AWS have datacenters in Europe, where most of Europe-side of traffic is hosted. Even if Trump made executive decisions to stop any internets companies doing business in Europe, it would have ZERO impact on the subsidy. Any cloud issues would really only impact "vertical scaling cloud-native" bullshit software, there are plenty and most reasonable companies are based on more sane (and less expensive) hosting solutions, which are in-house European.

                    Takes a massive fool to think European companies are basing their data in US continent, where the ping would be >150ms, and speeds would be far slower and less manageable.

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                    Takes a massive fool to think European companies are basing their data in US continent, where the ping would be >150ms, and speeds would be far slower and less manageable.

                    It's actually simpler than that: It's not in regulatory compliance. Cloud providers need to host their data centers in different regions because of geopolitical instability, including the distinct possibility of this scenario, among other localized regulatory factors. These companies may be headquartered in America but they still are at the whim of many different governments.

                    Source: I have an AWS certification

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                      Talk about clickbait ......
                      Article title: trump can pull the plug on the internet and europe can't do anything about it (my emphasis)
                      First line: the U.S. could unplug Europe from the digital world (not "pull the plug on the internet")
                      And then further down: "The fatal vulnerability is Europe’s near-total dependency on U.S. cloud providers."

                      So first, it's "the internet", then it's "unplug europe from the digital world", then it's "europe's dependency on US cloud providers"

                      So it's NOT "the internet", and it's NOT "unplug europe", it's disconnect european customers from US cloud providers.

                      Methinks Monseiur Pollet doesn't understand very much about the internet.

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