How im also raising my little guy
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Trying to get to the root of a commonly expressed anti-intellectual bias, a fundamental misunderstanding of what constitutes "science" and (exhaustively) explaining that what mythbusters has done with human remains is absolutely inline with the normal treatment for human remains in science is fair justification to argue a semantic point. Fundamentally though, mythbusters is science. Even by the definition you provide for hard science, it 100% fits with the process mythbusters used. Formulation of hypothesis, bias-controlled experimentation, reporting of process and results. That's all science is (and even including 'bias control' is possibly too restrictive to meet the common definition).
If you use the definition from the non-simple wikipedia article,
the presumably accidental misuse of a highly colloquial term is quite evident. That obfuscation of meaning is one of the primary criticisms of Simple Wikipedia, in fact. This is again a commonly repeated piece of anti-intellectual rhetoric, wherein one assumes that science can only be done by those with accreditation, grant funding and a sterile white lab (obviously this is a slightly hyperbolic exaggeration of the specifics for comedic effect). Mythbusters is undeniably science, just as much as it is undeniably entertainment. The two are not mutually exclusive, and flashy editing does not impact the rigour (or lack thereof) of their methods nor the validity of their conclusions.
Are you for real, man? Can you really not let this go? Let me break it down for you:
I don't think Mythbusters should have used human skulls, you disagree. That's it. It's that simple.
How about this: you win! You're very smart and we're all proud of you. There is nothing wrong with using human bones for
entertainmentscience. Adam and Jamie are real scientists. I was wrong about everything, it just took like 5 replies for me to realize it. I promise to print out your replies so that I can study them by candle light even if my power goes out. Thank you for helping me to understand such a complicated issue.Now leave me alone.
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Are you for real, man? Can you really not let this go? Let me break it down for you:
I don't think Mythbusters should have used human skulls, you disagree. That's it. It's that simple.
How about this: you win! You're very smart and we're all proud of you. There is nothing wrong with using human bones for
entertainmentscience. Adam and Jamie are real scientists. I was wrong about everything, it just took like 5 replies for me to realize it. I promise to print out your replies so that I can study them by candle light even if my power goes out. Thank you for helping me to understand such a complicated issue.Now leave me alone.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]This is a public forum. You started this discussion, again, on a public forum. While I'm not particularly interested in winning (I can sate that desire by playing helldivers (lies I suck at that game)), I am interested in educating and reasoned discussion. I know you're not, but you keep coming back despite that, and I'm curious why? What do you gain from this? If you didn't want responses, why did you put your ideas out there? Was it just an excuse to vent, and if so, why did you come out to pick fights in the comments afterwards? Just... walk away, if that's what you want.
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Unlikely. The reason I didn't have many friends is simply because I didn't get along with them: my interests were not their interests. It's much more fulfilling to find people who align with and elevate you than to seek popular approval.
If you had access to the same things as them you could have had the same interests?
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If you had access to the same things as them you could have had the same interests?
No, because my interests were "reading books" and "knowing things" and I had very little patience for people who did not understand the basic rules to a game on first explanation, for example. That's still true but it's much easier to select your peer group as an adult.
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I would recommend introducin the son to a literal lemon in real life prior to playing Portal 2.
... probably goes the same for a p0taTo.
Make sure it's not a lemon party.
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They're at home, suffering their husbands abuse while their son learns to be just like Dad.
Oof. Hard to read/think about. But I'm pretty sure that's what's happening.
My kid won't experience that (at least from their parents), thankfully. But we're doing our best to instill an open mind and acceptance for our child.
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Says a 40k fan.
At the very least the LotR fandom isn't infested with Nazi's that fail to understand the very basic themes of 40k.
Doesn't like my thing huh, you NAZI.
i guess i was wrong, lotr fanboys seem really chill and level headed.
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I dunno. I grew up on He-Man, Transformers and G.I. Joe, and I think I turned out OK. I suppose I also grew up on Labyrinth, The Dark Crystal, and The Neverending Story, which may have been just as formative in my nerdiness and are leagues ahead of those first three in terms of quality.
I grew up on all of those exact same things and I’m not a nerd, so it’s basically a crapshoot anyhoot.
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It’s funny. I’m definitely a nerd and neuro-something-or-other, and I have really good friends who are into all this stuff, Linux, Terry Pratchett etc - all of it - but I absolutely bounced off this smug nerd culture and grind my teeth if a group all start yelling “Ni!” or make me listen to the “hilarious” Portal song. Possibly I’m just trying too hard to be an arch, diffident outsider, this is my tribe, and I’m just the tribe jerk.
I feel you. I often hate things because too many people annoy me by liking them too much but ya know that's nebulous and stupid. As I've gotten older I've just kinda stopped letting that happen and try to give things a chance
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I always wonder where are the mothers of these shitty young men?
Like.
If I even thought of going into a misogynistic phase during my younger years, my mother would have put me in my place, yanno?
Are anglo mothers less sprited than latin american mothers?
It's easy to imagine them however you want. Truth is a lot of those incels probably come across as normal on the surface and have a normal life and are just depressed people looking for something to blame
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Worms/Scorched Earth/Liero (pixel physics!)
That era had so many good Gorilla clones.
Somehow this unlocked a child memory, when I found out there was a plain text file with the "insults" and I added my own. I felt like a true hacker..
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We won the lottery on this. Had twins, 1 boy 1 girl at birth. They're too young to know if they're gonna be friends, enemies, (probably both?)
Gotta get two nintendo DS then.
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No, because my interests were "reading books" and "knowing things" and I had very little patience for people who did not understand the basic rules to a game on first explanation, for example. That's still true but it's much easier to select your peer group as an adult.
alright
"reading books"
you weirdo
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Extinct??!?
We're not dead yet, just old!
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Doesn't like my thing huh, you NAZI.
i guess i was wrong, lotr fanboys seem really chill and level headed.
Its really a thing though.
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Cosmos (the original)
Connections with James Burke
Secret Life of Machines
All of David MacAulay’s books
QI when he’s older Taskmaster too, though there is a bit too much joke mystery at times.
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Doesn't like my thing huh, you NAZI.
i guess i was wrong, lotr fanboys seem really chill and level headed.
You must be completely unaware of the kind of people who gravitate towards 40k.
I didn't call you a Nazi. I said the fandom was infested with them. Odd that you'd go to such an accusation so quickly.
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You’ll also want to become a hippie parent for accuracy
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alright
"reading books"
you weirdo
Just accept that soggy doesn't want to be your friend and move on.
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Classical music is a bit different because it's effectively frozen in time. They're not introducing new instruments. They're not using amplification for the most part. It's like doing the same Shakespeare plays over and over again.
If there were a Beethoven today, he probably wouldn't be composing classical music. He'd be doing popular music of some kind. In fact, the historical record suggests he would have been a keyboardist in a rock band.
For music, a better example might be Jimi Hendrix. He was an amazing musician and his approach completely shaped modern rock music. But, while his music was influential, are his songs the best rock songs of all time? I don't think so, because other people have built on what he did and have taken it further.
Tom Bombadil is such a minor portion of the Shire, is that even something relevant to the narrative as a whole?
No, and that's why a better author (or their editor) would have removed it.
Fantasy, specifically, has evolved over time through the introduction of power systems sure — does that make them inherently better than LotR?
Yes. Not just because of their "power systems", but because the authors have used some of the ideas that Tolkien introduced, and told better stories with them, or introduced better characters. Or, because they lack some of Tolkien's key weaknesses, like they're able to write interesting 3-dimensional female characters. IMO the heavy lifting that Tolkien did is to introduce a world filled with all these various kinds of creatures that we all take for granted now: elves, dwarves, ents, orcs, etc.
He was probably the greatest fantasy writer of his time. But, he's "of his time". He unconsciously brings all kinds of biases and baggage into his writing that a reader in the 1950s wouldn't even notice, but that become more apparent 75ish years later.
You simply cannot deny the level of effort that went into creating LotR on Tolkien's part
Nor can you deny the amount of effort that went into The Room but that doesn't mean it's a great movie. LotR is a great book, but it's not because Tolkien put a certain amount of effort into it.
But, is it overrated? There are 2 ways something can be overrated. Something can be bad and rated as being ok, and so it's overrated. Or something can be good but rated as being the best in the world and so it's overrated. I think LotR is in the second category as a fantasy story. As a foundation for fantasy literature, I don't think it's overrated because it introduced so many things that we just take for granted today. But merely as a book, looking at it through modern eyes, it is probably overrated. I think it's great, but it's no longer the best fantasy book ever written.
That's fair, I don't disagree with anything you've said — except for Tom Bombadil, I love the flavor he adds to the story.
able to write interesting 3-dimensional female characters
Yeah LotR is a sausage-fest — there is no defending that.
However, this is ultimately a matter of subjectivity, and I don't think I've referred to LotR as the greatest fantasy story. I don't think there can be a 'greatest' of any genre, no more than someone can be 'the greatest' at any sport, skill, or whatever else you can think of. 'Number 1 on the leaderboard' is an ephemeral position and impossible to guage accurately.
In other words, to me I would be more likely to call Harry Potter overrated than LotR, and it isn't like JKR didn't have LotR to pull from. A Song of Ice and Fire, again — very overrated. Despite Martin's attempts to seem like a modern day Tolkien (which he certainly is not).
