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  • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS [email protected]

    But wouldn't someone have to be living in the houses? I feel like empty buildings wouldn't work.

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    At it's core a house is an inhabited building. I think an occupied outhouse might work even, if you stuck a much of them together with the vampire in the middle. I'm envisioning like a 3x3 porta potty cube with a vampire in the center one.

    But yeah I think there would have to at least be a person in each one

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      • bappity@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

        if you surround the earth in a megastructure shaped like a house do all vampires on earth instantly die?

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        I think it's the Dresden Files mythology? But I always liked the premise that it's not the house that prevents them. It's the magic of a home. They could walk into some house a squatter is living in for a few days with no issues, but a home where people truly live make it their own, have families, memories...that's what gives the threshold power.

        IIRC, even in that universe, a vampire can force it's way in, but the threshold strips it of most of its power if not invited.

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          similar question.

          do vampires need visas to enter a country?

          can they cross borders freely?

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          Depends on the fictional mythology. For instance the show Tuee Blood says it only applies to homes owned by a human, not businesses and such. That show has so many plot holes... But that idea they almost stick to. So I would say if the entire country was owned by 1 person and they lived there and had no businesses in it, sure.

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            Police don't typically execute search warrants alone. If I knew that specific policeman was a vampire I would address his partner(s) individually and invite them in, but I would not invite the vampire. Explaining to them why he was staying outside would be his problem.

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              i won't tell you to fuck yourselves, I'll do it myself ..

              next questions

              a cave can be a house, can a vampire enter a uninhabited cave, but if next day someone moves in, will the vampire be unable to enter?

              if a vampire inherits a house, no one formally invited him in, could he enter, as he is the legal owner and therefore only need his invitation?

              do tents count as housing? what about this:

              could you wear a tent like that and vampires would be unable to bite you?

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              could you wear a tent like that and vampires would be unable to bite you?

              I feel like they can't enter your house, as in get their entire body over the threshold. But there's no magical forcefield over the doorway, so if you were standing within arms reach they could grab you. The tent thing is kind of a moot point though, as there's nothing preventing them from attacking a domicile, so they could just tear it or even just poke you with a pointed stick.

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                i won't tell you to fuck yourselves, I'll do it myself ..

                next questions

                a cave can be a house, can a vampire enter a uninhabited cave, but if next day someone moves in, will the vampire be unable to enter?

                if a vampire inherits a house, no one formally invited him in, could he enter, as he is the legal owner and therefore only need his invitation?

                do tents count as housing? what about this:

                could you wear a tent like that and vampires would be unable to bite you?

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                Imagine a vampire getting frustrated with a realtor because this is the fourth time they've arrived at a house they're interested in to do a walkthrough but the owners aren't home and the realtor, as someone who doesn't have ties to the memories created in that home, can't invite him in.

                This also has fascinating implications for house flippers. If you only live there while working on it, have you not amassed enough "home power" to keep vampires out? Does the power of your previous home follow you to a new address if it's mostly the same decor?

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                • bappity@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

                  if you surround the earth in a megastructure shaped like a house do all vampires on earth instantly die?

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                  I doubt that this would affect vampires at all. The rule is that they can't enter your house without being invited, not that they have to move if you build a house around them.

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                    Vampires can steal your valuables too! You don't know!

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                    If the owner of a house dies, can't the vampire enter then, bc it's no longer a "home" or whatever?

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                      Police don't typically execute search warrants alone. If I knew that specific policeman was a vampire I would address his partner(s) individually and invite them in, but I would not invite the vampire. Explaining to them why he was staying outside would be his problem.

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                      But what if I trust the vampire cop more than the cop? At least the vampire cop admits he's a bloodsucker.

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                      • pugjesus@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

                        But what if I trust the vampire cop more than the cop? At least the vampire cop admits he's a bloodsucker.

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                        your call

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                        • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zipT [email protected]

                          could you wear a tent like that and vampires would be unable to bite you?

                          I feel like they can't enter your house, as in get their entire body over the threshold. But there's no magical forcefield over the doorway, so if you were standing within arms reach they could grab you. The tent thing is kind of a moot point though, as there's nothing preventing them from attacking a domicile, so they could just tear it or even just poke you with a pointed stick.

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                          does that mean that a vampire doesn't need permission to enter a house if he rents a bulldozer?

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                            Imagine a vampire getting frustrated with a realtor because this is the fourth time they've arrived at a house they're interested in to do a walkthrough but the owners aren't home and the realtor, as someone who doesn't have ties to the memories created in that home, can't invite him in.

                            This also has fascinating implications for house flippers. If you only live there while working on it, have you not amassed enough "home power" to keep vampires out? Does the power of your previous home follow you to a new address if it's mostly the same decor?

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                            We could then use vampires to determine who owns a house, if a house is abandoned for a while and there are squatters.

                            the squaters and legal owner invite vampires in, if the legal owner vampire cant, he looses the right to the house, if the squatter's vamp cant get in, they get evicted.

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                            • bizzle@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

                              At it's core a house is an inhabited building. I think an occupied outhouse might work even, if you stuck a much of them together with the vampire in the middle. I'm envisioning like a 3x3 porta potty cube with a vampire in the center one.

                              But yeah I think there would have to at least be a person in each one

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                              I think the spell is based around trust, the vampire has to convince you to trust them enough (either through charm or trickery) to invite them into your private living space. I think an outhouse would work since there's a major expectation of privacy there.

                              I think a warrant would help the vampire convince people to trust them (a judge trusted them to execute their court order) but probably wouldn't be enough on it's own. Because it's not about convincing someone else to say it's ok to enter your home, they have to convince you to give them permission. But the vampire could say "I have been ordered by the court to search your house, may I come in?" They'd have to wait until you've read the warrant, maybe call your lawyer, and your lawyer would tell you that you have to let them in. Then you'd likely give permission to the vampire to enter your house because your lawyer told you to. Because lawyers are just another kind of blood sucker, aren't they?

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                              • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS [email protected]

                                I think the spell is based around trust, the vampire has to convince you to trust them enough (either through charm or trickery) to invite them into your private living space. I think an outhouse would work since there's a major expectation of privacy there.

                                I think a warrant would help the vampire convince people to trust them (a judge trusted them to execute their court order) but probably wouldn't be enough on it's own. Because it's not about convincing someone else to say it's ok to enter your home, they have to convince you to give them permission. But the vampire could say "I have been ordered by the court to search your house, may I come in?" They'd have to wait until you've read the warrant, maybe call your lawyer, and your lawyer would tell you that you have to let them in. Then you'd likely give permission to the vampire to enter your house because your lawyer told you to. Because lawyers are just another kind of blood sucker, aren't they?

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                                I 100% agree, the warrant alone wouldn't be enough

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                                  No a vampire requires permission from some1 inside the house it could be any1 in the house not just the owner. A warrent give legal permission to enter but its from outside the house thus making it useless for a vampire to enter with alone.

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                                  but jesus is everywhere

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                                    I think it's the Dresden Files mythology? But I always liked the premise that it's not the house that prevents them. It's the magic of a home. They could walk into some house a squatter is living in for a few days with no issues, but a home where people truly live make it their own, have families, memories...that's what gives the threshold power.

                                    IIRC, even in that universe, a vampire can force it's way in, but the threshold strips it of most of its power if not invited.

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                                    It would be such a Dresden type loophole to use that with the cliche of "home is wherever you are", and have someone believe that strongly enough to make the other person a living vampire repellent.

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                                      I think the vampire physically could enter because the warrant is basically allowing them to enter a space they otherwise would need express permission from the person that dwells there. I haven't known a cop otherwise to serve the warrant and then just stand awkwardly waiting for permission to enter afterwards. If we are to believe that vampires exist in this context and follow "traditional" rules, you best believe a vampire could be in any given profession, especially because night work is more prevalent than ever. There would certainly be a vampire cop who works at night and takes advantage of the way warrants work.

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                                        [citation needed]

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                                        So if I'm walking towards my house after giving one a ride I can't tell her to come on in?

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                                          Oh god, I blame Nosferatu for most of the terrible vampire tropes.

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