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    Always make sure that QBT uses your VPN's network interface. I got some DMCA emails despite split-tunneling a VPN recently, and I realized it was bound to all interfaces by default - that's no good.

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      In Germany and no doubt some other countries, private law firms can (on behalf of the copyright holders) request people's identity based on residential IP addresses and then send extortionist legal threats. Apparently an IP appearing on a public tracker can be enough to trigger it, without any confirmed data transfer.

      VPNs are common and usually sufficient.

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      Don't public trackers add random IPs?

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        Don't public trackers add random IPs?

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        They could. The protocol also supports IP spoofing, so doxing could also be a thing.

        For individuals, it is a time consuming and costly legal process, whether justified or not. For the law firm, it costs a few cents per letter, but they get a few hundred (or more) euros when some sucker pays.

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        • darkfuture@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

          Lol.

          Do ISPs like making money?

          Then they shouldn't disconnect users who pirate.

          I get notifications from my ISP all the time. They don't do anything though because they like the money I give them.

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          I've been torrenting movies and software since 2000, no vpn, like I literally have torrented damn near everything I've watched for decades and have only gotten a notice once and it wasn't even me. It was from a temporary roommate who had watched a movie on a pirate streaming site.

          So that tells you how good and accurate their detection techniques are.

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            Oh, so like they do in the uncivilized middle-east?
            Naaaah

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            Their uncivilized censorship regime vs. our civilized online child protection and anti-terror laws.

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              In Germany and no doubt some other countries, private law firms can (on behalf of the copyright holders) request people's identity based on residential IP addresses and then send extortionist legal threats. Apparently an IP appearing on a public tracker can be enough to trigger it, without any confirmed data transfer.

              VPNs are common and usually sufficient.

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              A boy downloaded a movie via torrent without using a VPN.

              He died.

              Good night! 😴

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                This would be the case had net neutrality not been killed off nearly a decade ago

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                Net neutrality is why your online jokes were censored under Biden

                -- John McRacist, Republican congressman, former CFO of Evil Inc., former lawyer of Vile Ltd., member of Christofascism Society and Roman Salutes to Jesus

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                • tonytins@pawb.socialT [email protected]
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                  ha. all of my traffic is encrypted and routed through at least 3 pirate friendly countries and servers that don't keep logs. good fucking luck inspecting those packets.

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                    I've been torrenting movies and software since 2000, no vpn, like I literally have torrented damn near everything I've watched for decades and have only gotten a notice once and it wasn't even me. It was from a temporary roommate who had watched a movie on a pirate streaming site.

                    So that tells you how good and accurate their detection techniques are.

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                    Their methods are fine, they literally just pirate the stuff themselves, see which IPs connect to them, then connect those to an ISP and notify them. The main reasons you wouldn't get notices are getting lucky, not seeding much, not torrenting things that are being monitored, or having an ISP that doesn't care much.

                    The single notice from the streaming site makes sense, pirate streaming sites are usually honeypots or heavily monitored.

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                      Their methods are fine, they literally just pirate the stuff themselves, see which IPs connect to them, then connect those to an ISP and notify them. The main reasons you wouldn't get notices are getting lucky, not seeding much, not torrenting things that are being monitored, or having an ISP that doesn't care much.

                      The single notice from the streaming site makes sense, pirate streaming sites are usually honeypots or heavily monitored.

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                      My routine is always use piratebay, never use a pirate streaming site, no new or big studio releases, no porn, not seeding for long and choosing less active torrents. I can't say much for how effective it is since I've never gotten hit so I can't really experiment (I've had five or six ISPs in two different countries).

                      they literally just pirate the stuff themselves, see which IPs connect to them, then connect those to an ISP and notify them.

                      And I don't even understand how this would hold up if it ever went to trial. How can an IP owner "pirate" their own IP? Even when they outsource it to services who do this they're still giving permission for the IP to be distributed.

                      It's like hiring someone to "steal" your own TV, putting it in a back alley and then accusing whoever takes it of being a thief.

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                        In Germany and no doubt some other countries, private law firms can (on behalf of the copyright holders) request people's identity based on residential IP addresses and then send extortionist legal threats. Apparently an IP appearing on a public tracker can be enough to trigger it, without any confirmed data transfer.

                        VPNs are common and usually sufficient.

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                        they try that in the US, using mass litigation, but it doesnt work, its usually designed to scare indivudal IP users to "turn them self in"

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                          My routine is always use piratebay, never use a pirate streaming site, no new or big studio releases, no porn, not seeding for long and choosing less active torrents. I can't say much for how effective it is since I've never gotten hit so I can't really experiment (I've had five or six ISPs in two different countries).

                          they literally just pirate the stuff themselves, see which IPs connect to them, then connect those to an ISP and notify them.

                          And I don't even understand how this would hold up if it ever went to trial. How can an IP owner "pirate" their own IP? Even when they outsource it to services who do this they're still giving permission for the IP to be distributed.

                          It's like hiring someone to "steal" your own TV, putting it in a back alley and then accusing whoever takes it of being a thief.

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                          It's generally seen as okay on a similar level to undercover work. They do it for Investigation reasons, the torrent was already uploaded before they joined, their monitoring serves a legitimate law enforcement purpose, and they're authorized by the copyright holder (themselves) to do it. They didn't put the movie or whatever out there themselves.

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                            See you guys in I2P 🙂

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                              Their uncivilized censorship regime vs. our civilized online child protection and anti-terror laws.

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                              So you bought into the think of the children argument?
                              You know that's a red-herring, right? It's really about eroding privacy.

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                                So you bought into the think of the children argument?
                                You know that's a red-herring, right? It's really about eroding privacy.

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                                It was supposed to be a reference to a meme making fun of "us vs. them" mentalities. I know enough about the think of the children argument.

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                                  ha. all of my traffic is encrypted and routed through at least 3 pirate friendly countries and servers that don't keep logs. good fucking luck inspecting those packets.

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                                  behind 7 proxies

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                                    Always make sure that QBT uses your VPN's network interface. I got some DMCA emails despite split-tunneling a VPN recently, and I realized it was bound to all interfaces by default - that's no good.

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                                    Better to just configure a firewall properly so that no packets can go outside of the vpn tunnel.

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                                      Better to just configure a firewall properly so that no packets can go outside of the vpn tunnel.

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                                      How is that better? If you configure your firewall rules incorrectly, this protects you against that. This ensures you have no connection if your VPN isn't on/isn't working.

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                                        What's crazy is that Trump claims to be against the current ruling in Sony's favor, and is siding with Cox.

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                                        Instruction unclear?
                                        So trump like cocks?

                                        Good for him!

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                                          Gonna be a lot of issues that come from this. Legally speaking. It's already on the books that an IP address doesn't represent a single person... so I'm not terribly clear on how they plan to enforce this even if it were to pass.

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                                          You assume precedent, consistency, or ethics matter to the current people in power in the US.

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