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Nintendo is restricting the Switch 2's USB-C port — most third-party docks and accessories won't work thanks to proprietary protocols

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    USB fourm should sue them for using the USB name and not bring compliant

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    lol, then they'd have no time for anything else. usb-c is so complicated that basically nobody is compliant.

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      Then it's not a USB-C port.

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      • lime@feddit.nuL [email protected]

        lol, then they'd have no time for anything else. usb-c is so complicated that basically nobody is compliant.

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        Time for USB-D.

        My suggestion is a ridiculous round plug where the bottom three/four contacts are a standard 3.5mm audio connector and then you have like twelve extra (narrower) contacts at the top.

        A TRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS jack.

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          Time for USB-D.

          My suggestion is a ridiculous round plug where the bottom three/four contacts are a standard 3.5mm audio connector and then you have like twelve extra (narrower) contacts at the top.

          A TRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS jack.

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          i think this is an old nanoraptor bit

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            Then it's not a USB-C port.

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            It's a SB-C port then

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              If it's most, and not all, they are not locked out. If 3rd party releases a product that doesn't work, that sounds like it's on them. I've never bought a Nintendo device, but it's so easy to think this is all on them.

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                "restricted" and "most". So how do some work then? The system is pretty dang new. Lots of developers couldn't even get dev kits yet. I'll wait and see before I get all upset that there aren't 3rd party docks that I don't have a need for or would buy anyways.

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                because it's supposed to be usb. Which it's not, intentionally

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                  I do wonder why they decide to do this. Replacement Nintendo docks probably aren't a big money maker. Maybe they did HDCP (HDMI copy protection for movies and such, used for YouTube and such when they finally get it working) on dock side for Switch 2 so this is their attempt to stop people getting the video feed in between? Just speculation though, and I might be very wrong.

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                  The Switch 2 dock has built in fans.

                  The protocol enforces you to use the correct gear, preventing damage to the console and user.

                  I'm not knowledgeable enough on the standards to know if this can be enforced otherwise, but it sounds like a typical "Nintendo Quality" feature.

                  From what I gather, they use standard protocols for the webcam, so it seems more of a protective measure to me than the evil shit people are making up here. Otherwise, I'd expect them to lock down everything.

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                    It's Nintendo, did people really expect anything else?

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                      Basically Apple.

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                      • H [email protected]

                        The Switch 2 dock has built in fans.

                        The protocol enforces you to use the correct gear, preventing damage to the console and user.

                        I'm not knowledgeable enough on the standards to know if this can be enforced otherwise, but it sounds like a typical "Nintendo Quality" feature.

                        From what I gather, they use standard protocols for the webcam, so it seems more of a protective measure to me than the evil shit people are making up here. Otherwise, I'd expect them to lock down everything.

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                        Perhaps this could be the case, especially due to the far higher heat in the Switch 2 docked profile compared to Switch 1. If so though, I do hope there is a third party dock certification program, as I really want a proper DisplayPort Switch 2 dock.

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                          This is not the way. Lame. Lame. Lame.

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                          • I [email protected]

                            It's Nintendo, did people really expect anything else?

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                            Fair. IIRC they did something with their HDMI cable before where you couldn't use it on all TVs or something? I forget now

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                              Basically Apple.

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                              Even Apple isn’t this bad. You can use non-Apple devices on their USB-C ports just fine. Hell, Apple actually had a large part in developing the USB-C standard. The entire point is that the U stands for Universal.

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                                Basically Apple.

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                                Nintendo has always been the apple of the gaming industry. Where have you been?

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                                  First time in my life I've skipped a Nintendo console

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                                  • broadfern@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

                                    I was in elementary school when the 360 came out, so no, I wasn’t aware at the time of the corporate smarm coming from Microsoft.

                                    You’re right to be put off of it though, MS is…yeah.

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                                    Hey, dude, just be older like me. How are you going to remember screwing your Atari into the antenna ports on the back of the TV if you weren't alive for that?

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                                      The Switch 2 dock has built in fans.

                                      The protocol enforces you to use the correct gear, preventing damage to the console and user.

                                      I'm not knowledgeable enough on the standards to know if this can be enforced otherwise, but it sounds like a typical "Nintendo Quality" feature.

                                      From what I gather, they use standard protocols for the webcam, so it seems more of a protective measure to me than the evil shit people are making up here. Otherwise, I'd expect them to lock down everything.

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                                      You can plug pretty much any webcam into the Switch as well.

                                      I don't agree with their desire to lock things down but this probably wasn't totally a case of that.

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                                        I do wonder why they decide to do this. Replacement Nintendo docks probably aren't a big money maker. Maybe they did HDCP (HDMI copy protection for movies and such, used for YouTube and such when they finally get it working) on dock side for Switch 2 so this is their attempt to stop people getting the video feed in between? Just speculation though, and I might be very wrong.

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                                        IMO, everything has to do with piracy.

                                        Ever since the r4 for the DS spring boarded Nintendo piracy, every single console they've released since then has been ripped open and has had very easy-to-use tools developed for it to make it really, really, easy to put pirated games on. You can buy a flashcard from amazon with DS games on it. You can mod a 3ds in 15 minutes. You can play switch games on the steam deck.

                                        They hate this. They want to do everything they can to lock down their systems and prevent this.

                                        On the Wii (or maybe it was 3ds or Wii U) when updating, you used to get a notification "...this update will also check for unauthorized material and remove it."
                                        Now they're simply saying it there's unauthorized stuff they're not going to account for it and let things break (or force it to break)

                                        Now they're locking down the usb-c port, again making it harder to crack the console. They failed with every console this far, so now they're trying something different.

                                        In the long run it may get cracked eventually. But for now, like denuvo, it delays piracy.

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                                          Even Apple isn’t this bad. You can use non-Apple devices on their USB-C ports just fine. Hell, Apple actually had a large part in developing the USB-C standard. The entire point is that the U stands for Universal.

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                                          Of all things they desingned the lightning port wasn't that bad. The issue with nintendo is their incredibly aggressive corporate culture. They have the games but having access (legal) to their catalogue is a whole other question. Than there's the nintendo fans.

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