Seems like the perfect day to ask: Muricans, what's your dream country to expatriate to? Non-Muricans, what's the thought on accepting US refugees?

[rodgegrabthecat@sh.itjust.works]

Canadian here. I'll welcome anyone who voted against Trump.

Those who voted for Trump or didn't vote at all can die in a ditch.

[blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca]

I hate the original people argument. There is no land on this earth that wasn't conquered multiple times. Even the first nations in North America warred against each other and took land from each other many times before the Europeans showed up. It wasn't a giant happy campfire singalong for 10,000 years.

[some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org]

I'd be in Aukland now if I hadn't met my partner between deciding in 2021 and the election. She is a refugee and can't leave or she'll lose status. She is a political enemy of her government for advocating for democracy there. Did a phone interview and everything.

[callouscomic@lemmy.zip]

Maybe Scotland. If they could fully separate from the dead weight down south.

[greenknight23@lemmy.world]

Canada if possible. My family only speaks English, but willing to "do the thing" to fit in even if that's learning a new language.

I'd also be ok with UK, Australia, New Zealand.

last places would be Germany, Poland, Italy, Spain, Japan. I know living in these places would be an extreme challenge for my family so that's why they're bottom of my list.

[mang0@lemmy.zip]

I'm an antinationalist with regards to usa. No

[garbagebagel@lemmy.world]

Okay, but given your original comment that the people who "are already here" (eg. Canadian citizens) should be the only ones to vote, you do seem to be lending weight to the idea that people who were already here should be making the decisions.

Do you think that the first immigrants (settlers) to come here from England and France should also not have been allowed to decide on how the country was run? Or is it only new immigrants that shouldn't be allowed a voice in government? What's the cutoff?

[leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

For anyone who's thinking UK, I'd advise not - we're about 4-5 years behind you in terms of imminent fascism and whilst there's still technically a chance to avert it, its very unlikely - especially since Starmer is being even more awful than the Tories.

[shirro@aussie.zone]

Non-murican - strongly feel preference should be given to genuine refugees fleeing war, famine etc where they have absolutely no ability to influence their fate other than escape. The US is a failed democracy but the people there have barely begun to challenge their government compared to what we have seen elsewhere in the world. And there is still refuge available in blue states. US citizens need to stand up and fight. Then if they fail, only then do they get to go in the queue with the genuine humanitarian refugees. I don't like queue jumpers. Sorry but impingement on your civil liberties doesn't compare with families in war torn parts of the world living in fear fear of having their limbs blown off every night.

Ofcourse business around the world would like to cherry pick talent for in demand jobs. They prefer not to invest in developing local people when they can import experienced talent for less. So people with in demand skills will get in that way, not as refugees.

[blarghly@lemmy.world]

Also, God, the weather

[psx_crab@lemmy.zip]

I used to say this a lot, but the longer i live, the more i understand that "stand and fight" requires a lot of will power, especially when you have to rub shoulder with the jarring issue daily, the very issue that makes you want to leave, and the authority doesn't give a single fuck about it after countless report. In any case, it's the lost of faith toward the fellow countrymen, not the administration.

[blarghly@lemmy.world]

Probably Argentina. Maybe SE Asia. But honestly, where ever all my friends decided to move, since we'd prob drag each other to one place or another. Although most likely scenario there is that we'd become a travelling commune with no official country. If the US actually collapsed, I'd lose a ton of money and would need to find some kind of work, so I'd hit up my connections and probably get a remote software gig. Idk, I'll figure it out when it happens.

[guynamedzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Probably Finland, or another Nordic country. Idk, I just like the cold and the woods and figure those oughtta fit the bill

[deathbybigsad@sh.itjust.works]

Just to add: The xenophobic riot last year...

Especially a bad idea if you are Muslim, Arab, or just look "Middle-Eastern".

Or if you're transgender (it's called "TERF Island" for a reason)

[deathbybigsad@sh.itjust.works]

There are also Americans who had a passport of a different country before they naturalized

[deathbybigsad@sh.itjust.works]

"Stay in Germany and fight, your cowards"

-@[email protected] said to Jewish Refugees in 1933

[sayjess@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

I think I’d like to move to Canada. However, I have no money, and do not have a degree or anything like that. I think the plant I work at has operations in Canada, so there might be the possibility of transferring there. Even if the opportunity presented itself, I refuse to leave my son, so I am stuck here.

[witchfire@lemmy.world]

I moved US -> CA, so AMA

My experience so far: I instantly made a bunch of friends and the locals seem happy to have me here. Many are curious about the US, many also understand what's going on. I don't experience the same level of elitism I'm used to back in the states as an immigrant (even after 2+ decades). There is also SIGNIFICANTLY less catcalling, I somehow get way more compliments??? Oh and did you know ketchup was actually supposed to taste good? (Hint: it's all the corn syrup)

Canada is a lovely country ️

[underwaterbob@sh.itjust.works]

Korea is facing a huge population crisis in the not-so-distant future. They already have ties to the U.S., too.

[bagelberger@lemmy.world]

Spain is in the same boat