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Seems like the perfect day to ask: Muricans, what's your dream country to expatriate to? Non-Muricans, what's the thought on accepting US refugees?

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    Non-murican - strongly feel preference should be given to genuine refugees fleeing war, famine etc where they have absolutely no ability to influence their fate other than escape. The US is a failed democracy but the people there have barely begun to challenge their government compared to what we have seen elsewhere in the world. And there is still refuge available in blue states. US citizens need to stand up and fight. Then if they fail, only then do they get to go in the queue with the genuine humanitarian refugees. I don't like queue jumpers. Sorry but impingement on your civil liberties doesn't compare with families in war torn parts of the world living in fear fear of having their limbs blown off every night.

    Ofcourse business around the world would like to cherry pick talent for in demand jobs. They prefer not to invest in developing local people when they can import experienced talent for less. So people with in demand skills will get in that way, not as refugees.

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    I don't mean to naysay but this isn't reduced civil rights people are fleeing. The US is building concentration camps and has recently approved expanding their budget for ICE (originally immigration enforcement, now a gestapo analogue) such that it is larger than most world militaries.

    This is naziism people are fleeing. This is death camps people are fleeing.

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      I like it too. Just making some fun on their Spanish.

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      It makes it easier to learn! When I talk to most Mexicans they speak so fast and have so much slang it's hard to learn or even understand for me.

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        I used to say this a lot, but the longer i live, the more i understand that "stand and fight" requires a lot of will power, especially when you have to rub shoulder with the jarring issue daily, the very issue that makes you want to leave, and the authority doesn't give a single fuck about it after countless report. In any case, it's the lost of faith toward the fellow countrymen, not the administration.

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        Yes. It's easier said than done. I often find myself thinking, I could do more to make my country better.

        But I am just too irritated by the selfishness and privilege on display. Just relocating to a nicer country is an option that 99% do not have. You need to be young and well-educated, or be relatively wealthy. Otherwise, a rich country will simply not have you.

        At the same time, those who can just pick up and leave are the same people who are most able to change things for the better. Americans are not risking their lives by speaking up. The rule of law is mostly being followed. Democratically elected representatives hold power.

        Freedom and life can be taken from us, but never honor. -Otto Wels, 1933, in the final session of the elected german parliament.

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        • sterile_technique@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

          Please go into lots of detail - some of us are taking notes!

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          The kind of american that usually comes to Mexico is very nice, very welcome. Maybe the exceptions are the very loud and self absorbed ones that go to resort locations and act like they're better than everyone there.

          As long as people want to integrate and cooperate they are more than welcome.

          Now, the sad part is the gentrification that comes with a lot of people moving and outpaying rent vs the locals. Now the average cost of living in Mexico city is about 50% higher than the average salary, and about 100% higher than the median salary. Another very negative thing is that now a lot of locals have to communicate in english because American people will come and not learn spanish over multiple years living here. There are zones where everything is in english now. It's okay speaking english, it's not okay expecting english from everyone.

          So a few pointers:

          1. Integrate, pay taxes, consume locally
          2. Try and move into already gentrified places, avoid displacing more people
          3. Push for social policy, increased affordable living spaces, invest in the country where you move into to improve the locals' life

          Be friendly, but that's always

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            Please go into lots of detail - some of us are taking notes!

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            Anywhere cold, with decent social services, good shipping, and people that leave me alone on the whole.

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              Americans would do anything to not call a general strike.

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              Get it organized. I'll show up. Show us poor stupid lazy americans how easy it is to hold an extended general strike to effect a national change. I'm all in on it. Let's fucking go everyone! This armchair analyst knows the way!

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              • thetimeknife@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                Morocco or Jordan. Been trying to learn Arabic for a few years and would love to be forced to take it more seriously. Mostly can just read the letters. They are relatively safe countries that are in areas of the world I have studied extensively. Also means closer travel to many of the old cities I want to visit.

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                Jordan is a great country. Lived there for awhile. The people were great. Israel being so close isn't fun though. Morocco would be a safer bet imo.

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                  Also, God, the weather

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                  The weather is the main reason I'd want to go there. I prefer dreary.

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                  • sterile_technique@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                    doctors

                    How's the demand for nurses? I'll be finishing up nursing school in less than a year! 😄

                    Or support staff? I'm a surgical tech now, and some of my coworkers (other techs, schedulers - bottom of the medical food chain, but still with specialty experience) feel trapped here by their lack of higher education.

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                    Nurses and caretaker staff "Pflege" are needed here in Germany too, but not sure how viable the pay is.

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                      Please go into lots of detail - some of us are taking notes!

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                      If I wasn’t locked into this contract with my house I would be applying for work programs in New Zealand on my way to citizenship. When Trump was elected, the first thought that went through my head was, I don’t like winter, so Canada and the Nordics are out. Europe is 0-2 for getting destroyed in World Wars and WW3 is heating up. Africa has its own problems right now, as does South America, and regardless of where you go in Asia it’s not looking good for WW3. So options were Central America or Oceania. I know passable amounts of Spanish, and lived in Central America for a while and I would definitely be OK going back. But if I’m going to move somewhere might as well be somewhere new.

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                        Hi, I am an American and will be visiting your country very soon! I've never been outside of the US and know very little Spanish. I'm going with a family member who is getting dental work done and well be in San Jose. We're very excited for the trip, do you have any tips for first timers?

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                        Thanks for visiting us!

                        Regarding San Jose, unfortunately there isn't a lot to do there, the most you can do is visit museums (National Museum, Pre-Columbian Gold Museum, Jade Museum, alongside others, visit some volcanoes (Poás, Irazu, and maybe the Turrialba Volcano), visit old buildings (Plaza de la Cultura as an example), and that's pretty much it

                        I think you would like places like Monteverde or La Fortuna.

                        Regarding money exchange, do it on Banco Nacional (BN) or in Banco de Costa Rica (BCR). If you do it on the airport or in any other place you might be scammed

                        Use Uber, if you use taxis they will know you're a tourist and will charge you the double

                        Avoid Jaco, it's kind of dangerous

                        And finally, be careful with prices on the airport, a lot of things are overpriced such as this

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                        • J [email protected]

                          Anywhere cold, with decent social services, good shipping, and people that leave me alone on the whole.

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                          Ah, welcome to the Nordics!

                          Hard as fuck to get in, or so I’ve heard.
                          The shipping might be slower than you’re used to, but we check of on the rest.

                          See you soon?

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                            Thanks for visiting us!

                            Regarding San Jose, unfortunately there isn't a lot to do there, the most you can do is visit museums (National Museum, Pre-Columbian Gold Museum, Jade Museum, alongside others, visit some volcanoes (Poás, Irazu, and maybe the Turrialba Volcano), visit old buildings (Plaza de la Cultura as an example), and that's pretty much it

                            I think you would like places like Monteverde or La Fortuna.

                            Regarding money exchange, do it on Banco Nacional (BN) or in Banco de Costa Rica (BCR). If you do it on the airport or in any other place you might be scammed

                            Use Uber, if you use taxis they will know you're a tourist and will charge you the double

                            Avoid Jaco, it's kind of dangerous

                            And finally, be careful with prices on the airport, a lot of things are overpriced such as this

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                            I appreciate the response. We'll try our best to get out to some of the other towns, but our main focus is the dental work. I appreciate all of the tips and suggestions!

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                              I'm thinking either Finland or Norway. But the only way I could ever emigrate to either of those countries would be as an asylum seeker. I don't make enough money, nor do I have any skills they want. I've got plenty of skills...just not any that are in 'high demand'.

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                              You could marry, at least for Norway.

                              Few mail order brides available though, so you’d have to make an effort finding someone who likes you back

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                                Chinese. I... don't think China accepts immigration, so I don't think it matters what most Chinese people think of Americans. Not that I think China would be an ideal expat destination for most Americans anyway... China also have most of the problems US have. Maybe for some highly accomplished scientists/business executives who can be offered a job (since China is spending a lot on R&D), but that's probably it

                                As someone who lived in the US for a long time and actively considered this?

                                • Northern European countries are nice for anyone who doesn't mind living like a vampire; there is basically no sunlight in winter, but they are probably the best in terms of providing what an "average person" wants and needs
                                • There are countries here and there which have low cost-of-living and high quality-of-life, assuming that I only want to be an "expat" who wants to live temporarily and am not trying to find work there (remote work, savings, or something else). My parents insist that Thailand fits this category; I believe several South American countries fit the bill as well
                                • Realistically, if I actually want to immigrate, it will probably end up being one of the random EU countries, whichever I can get in via ancestry or find a job in...
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                                I'm an American often in China for my job. If you want to be in a tier 1 city rent relative to income is insane even compared to Canada (and by extension the US). If you're a foreigner in a skilled profession who can secure a job there, this would be pretty easily avoided as your salary will typically be far above average and housing likely even paid for by the company sponsoring you.

                                The downside is that the expectation of workers and office culture is also drastically different than in the US. Your savings also won't go as far should you ever choose to leave. Mandarin is pretty difficult to learn, particularly for reading characters which is more or less essential to get around New areas efficiently.

                                People are surprisingly quite nice to foreigners. I've never had a problem with the complete lack of privacy personally, since everything in public is tracked/recorded crime is incredibly low. But I have the ability to make that choice while others don't, so I can get why it's an issue for some. It's a weird contrast from the US where the police are most certainly not your friend and the government is too disorganized to help even when they have all the relevant information. The urbanism is everything you'd imagine it to be, even in tier 2/3 cities it's incredibly easy to get around without a car. If I weren't tied to my family in the US I'd likely consider spending a few years working there while still young. But even then it would be hard to justify such a huge pay cut from US engineering salaries.

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                                  Jordan is a great country. Lived there for awhile. The people were great. Israel being so close isn't fun though. Morocco would be a safer bet imo.

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                                  That is true, but I would really like to live in the region and Jordan is probably the safest bet. Otherwise Morocco is the smart choice for arabic speaking nation tolerant of Americans with a reasonable margin for safety. I won't be leaving anytime soon either way, this is more of a dream living abroad answer for right now. I intend to vote, protest and be a pain in the ass until they drive me out.

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                                    Please go into lots of detail - some of us are taking notes!

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                                    I always wanted to live in a country that was totally different from America when I was a kid. I thought either India, China, or Japan back then, but now I’m not sure I’d want to live in any of them right now.

                                    I guess I could go to nearby countries that don’t have global headlines like them say like Bangladesh, Thailand, or Indonesia, but I don’t really know anything about them.

                                    I think the smart option would be somewhere in Europe, but I kinda want to get away or at least take a break from “western” culture.

                                    I guess I can’t name a dream country, but somewhere with a totally different culture. I’d also want it to have a bunch of ruins and historical sites to visit. I’ve never seen anything older than like 150 years in person.

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                                      Get it organized. I'll show up. Show us poor stupid lazy americans how easy it is to hold an extended general strike to effect a national change. I'm all in on it. Let's fucking go everyone! This armchair analyst knows the way!

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                                      A birthstrike would be much easier to pull off than a general (labor) strike. Bills don't stop just because you stopped working, and labor strikes require a high degree of coordination. It's a significant risk for those going on strike.

                                      In contrast, a birthstrike does not hurt your immediate situation, and actually likely helps it by preventing an increase in financial burden. Additionally, it requires no real degree of coordination. It can start small and pick up steam as more people jump onboard.

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                                        Please go into lots of detail - some of us are taking notes!

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                                        Honestly the Netherlands seems pretty great.

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                                          Please go into lots of detail - some of us are taking notes!

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                                          I was going to say Italy but they seem to be going fash again so... north sentinel island?

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