Anon is not satisfied
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gambling isn't an addiction, it's a lifestyle.
wrote last edited by [email protected]addictions counselor here, can confirm Rooskie91 has a pretty accurate response
I'm guessing where you get caught up is in the fact that it's a behavioral addiction , right?
well the medical community isn't far off. gambling disorder is only now just starting to become recognized as an addiction. there's trouble too, because "addiction" isn't an appropriate medical term anymore -- it's "substance use disorder" which encompasses a much wider range of problematic behaviors. and yet! if someone comes in with primary Dx Gambling Disorder, we can't bill that as SUD services because it's technically not a substance lol
behavioral addictions are very similar in how they work and how they're treated. tbh the main difference is just the lack of risk from acute intoxication / withdrawal. gambling disorder can and does completely ruin lives.
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what's next are you gonna claim thigh highs can be addictive? this has the same vibe as "water is addictive" or "you have an oxygen addiction".
here's a quick cheat sheet of current DSM criteria for a SUD:
::: spoiler spoiler1 increased amt used
2 desire/failure to reduce use
3 lots of time spent on it
4 cravings for it
5 life obligations unmet
6 social relationships disrupted
7 reduction in recreational activities
8 use even in dangerous situations
9 use despite medical risk
10 building tolerance
11 experiences withdrawal:::
you need at least 2 to meet mild criteria (very easy to meet mild!) and 6 or more to be considered severe
so let's look at oxygen addiction:
we dont increase our use over time, we have no desire or failure to reduce use (even if suicidal it's not about the oxygen), oxygen requires very little time to get, we generally dont crave it cuz we always got it and without it there are no cravings anyway, it doesnt disrupt obligations, doesnt impact relationships, doesnt impact recreation, we don't put ourselves in dangerous situations just to use it, there's no medical risk to consuming it, and we do not build tolerance. we DO experience w/d. so 1 out of 11 aint cuttin it, sorry!!
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I'm going to give you the BoD and say that I think your confusing how addiction works and how the body regulates itself. Also, I should be more clear that anything causing an intense reward response can be addictive. Not just any old response will do, it has be a rush.
Addiction isn't just doing something repeatedly or enjoying something a lot. It's a progressive hijacking of the brain's reward system.
It starts with an activity (like gambling) triggering a strong reward response. That response draws people to repeat that activity for the "high". If the behavior is engaged in regularly, the brain adapts over time. The reward response becomes less intense (this is what "gaining a tolerance" is), causing the person to to engage in the behavior more frequently or intensely to get the same "high" as they did the first time. Eventually, the behavior stops illiciting a reward, and you start to get stressed without whatever behavior it is that originally made you feel high. The person is no longer seeking the behavior because their reward system is telling them to, but for relief from the stress and anxiety of NOT performing the behavior. This is where addiction occurs.Gambling, sex, and drugs all activate activate this feedback loop in the brains reward system. In contrast things like drinking water or wearing boots just just don't engage the reward system in the same way. You can experience this yourself by having an orgasm, drinking a glass of water, and comparing the difference in how you feel afterward. Drinking water and wearing clothes are biological necessities or habitual actions. They're not neurologically reinforced the same way that high reward activities like gambling or sex are.
I think we tend to prefer to think of chemical addiction as the true definition because of opiods like heroin. In the case of heroin, you're not activating your reward system so much as you're introducing a reward chemical WAYYY more powerful than anything your body can produce.
Other drugs don't replace dopamine tho, they just make your body release all of the dopamine it has at the same time, resulting in a similar, but less intense feeling. Getting addicted to these drugs is really no different, biologically speaking, than becoming addicted to a behavior.
Recognizing gambling as an addiction is not a slippery slope to naming more mundane things as addictions. It's the result of decades of work in neuroscience by thousands, if not millions, of doctors.
well said thank you. you might enjoy some of my replies to them. idk how to tag on lemmy or id have
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Sure but then you only waste your time. Some more casual gachas, like star rail, are deliberately designed to be casual, in order to increase their retention rate(ie keep most of the players playing in the long term). They dont require much time daily(you can afk do the dailies in the background within 5mins) and while there is replayable content, it isnt necessary and eventually you will be done with that too.
Some gachas are more hardcore, demanding more time, which enables them to have a smaller pool of players who are more dedicated(ie less likely to quit because of sunk cost).
I assume addiction rates are higher on those gachas, then again mainstream casual gachas like star rail, have tens of millions of players, so maybe they have more "addicted" players(total, not as a percentage).
Sure but then you only waste your time.
not true at all. you can absolutely fuck up your social life and work life by paying free games. you can fuck up your medical life too. easily meeting criteria for gaming disorder mild severity without ever spending a dime
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Jordan Petersen is a trash heap and making a bad faith argument.
and... still blows their mind with "make your bed"
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Games that require daily participation to make any sort of progress are a non-starter for me. I have other shit that's far more interesting than fake anime tiddies.
It is simultaneously an obnoxious speed bump that slows down my ability to binge when I've got free time and a needy attention drain when I'm absorbed in something else.
Truly the worst of both worlds.
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Dude needs to stop playing predatory gacha games.
I don't understand people who WILLINGLY install that shit. They KNOW how they work and are monetized. And unlike gambling at a casino, there's zero chance of you being up money at any point.
I don’t understand people who WILLINGLY install that shit
The ads are everywhere and the games are often F2P - no barrier to download or install. Excellent for hooking younger kids, especially ones whose parents can't or won't give them access to the old fashioned games.
And unlike gambling at a casino, there’s zero chance of you being up money at any point.
Arguably the singular upside. You can coast in a Gacha game without losing a ton of money a lot longer than you'll last in Vegas.
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Wake up
Play Roguetrader
Get bored after 4 hours
Read Ciaphus Cain fanfics
Forget to eat
Jackoff
Pass out
Wakeup and eat expired MRE
Play Hoi4
Go to sleep
This was annoying to write on my phone.
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You could get a job, work less, and get paid for it...
Still feels like shit
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What is that? Never seen that before
I don't know I think it's written in canadian though.
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here's a quick cheat sheet of current DSM criteria for a SUD:
::: spoiler spoiler1 increased amt used
2 desire/failure to reduce use
3 lots of time spent on it
4 cravings for it
5 life obligations unmet
6 social relationships disrupted
7 reduction in recreational activities
8 use even in dangerous situations
9 use despite medical risk
10 building tolerance
11 experiences withdrawal:::
you need at least 2 to meet mild criteria (very easy to meet mild!) and 6 or more to be considered severe
so let's look at oxygen addiction:
we dont increase our use over time, we have no desire or failure to reduce use (even if suicidal it's not about the oxygen), oxygen requires very little time to get, we generally dont crave it cuz we always got it and without it there are no cravings anyway, it doesnt disrupt obligations, doesnt impact relationships, doesnt impact recreation, we don't put ourselves in dangerous situations just to use it, there's no medical risk to consuming it, and we do not build tolerance. we DO experience w/d. so 1 out of 11 aint cuttin it, sorry!!
if you swim a significant amount you'll learn how much time is spent on it, and if you try breathing water you'll start craving oxygen (well probably more craving the removal of co2), also I would imagine that oil refineries could be considered places where oxygen is dangerous but people still use.
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Stop that, you're scaring him!!
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It is simultaneously an obnoxious speed bump that slows down my ability to binge when I've got free time and a needy attention drain when I'm absorbed in something else.
Truly the worst of both worlds.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I've been playing Total Annihilation the last couple days. The 1997 game that you can still get on GOG for $5. I had it as a kid and played all the time.
My son has been wanting to play it with me, so I gave him a quick rundown on "skirmish" mode earlier tonight. He caught on pretty quick. It can get brutal though. Hopefully I can get the network muliplayer working so we can play together.
Worth every penny.
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How does OP get money?
Or is OP Asmongold himself?
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How does OP get money?
Or is OP Asmongold himself?
Asmondgold post on 4chan to express his true feelings about his life
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Games that require daily participation to make any sort of progress are a non-starter for me. I have other shit that's far more interesting than fake anime tiddies.
I know I can easily get hooked on those so I just avoid them. Games should work around my life, not the other way around. That's why I'm heavily into single player games now. I can hit pause whenever I like.
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I've been playing Total Annihilation the last couple days. The 1997 game that you can still get on GOG for $5. I had it as a kid and played all the time.
My son has been wanting to play it with me, so I gave him a quick rundown on "skirmish" mode earlier tonight. He caught on pretty quick. It can get brutal though. Hopefully I can get the network muliplayer working so we can play together.
Worth every penny.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Ah, probably my favorite RTS.
I would say the biggest problem TA had was simply lag. Once you really get going with the volume of units - especially over a network - the loads on the system can get heavy. Basically, you get carried away having too much fun building some absurd army.
There's a new iteration of the franchise - Planetary Annihilation - that I've been meaning to check out as soon as I have some free time. Good reviews on Steam. Stick it on your list and wait for a sale, if the $30 price point bothers you. But I think it'll probably look a little nicer and run a little smoother.
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Ah, probably my favorite RTS.
I would say the biggest problem TA had was simply lag. Once you really get going with the volume of units - especially over a network - the loads on the system can get heavy. Basically, you get carried away having too much fun building some absurd army.
There's a new iteration of the franchise - Planetary Annihilation - that I've been meaning to check out as soon as I have some free time. Good reviews on Steam. Stick it on your list and wait for a sale, if the $30 price point bothers you. But I think it'll probably look a little nicer and run a little smoother.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Once you really get going with the volume of units - especially over a network - the loads on the system can get heavy. Basically, you get carried away having too much fun building some absurd army.
I haven't really run into that recently... Though I imagine pretty much any x86 system made in the last 20 years or so should handle it fine. I remember getting to that point on my old PIII-powered Optiplex GX1, that was a fun time. Trying to build nukes, an army of assault kbots/vehicles, bombers, and construction bots, and trying to guide what remains of your previous armada to where you think the enemy is because they took out your long range radar units...
I do have the CDs in storage somewhere, too, I should dig those out and see if they play nice.
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Wake up
Play Roguetrader
Get bored after 4 hours
Read Ciaphus Cain fanfics
Forget to eat
Jackoff
Pass out
Wakeup and eat expired MRE
Play Hoi4
Go to sleep
This was annoying to write on my phone.
The Expired MREs are what make me curious!
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The Expired MREs are what make me curious!
You can get loose MRE elements from surplus places for cheap.
