Steam is cracking down on porn games, to keep Payment Processors happy.
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Why shouldn't the payment processors get a say in the payments they process? Illegal or not, why should they be forced to process payments that facilitate things against their beliefs?
Steam could pursue other payment processing possibilities instead of acquiescing to their demands.
Why shouldn’t the payment processors get a say in the payments they process? Illegal or not, why should they be forced to process payments that facilitate things against their beliefs?
Because they hold an effective monopoly over the payment process.
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It's been like this for a while in the porn industry. In an interview a while back, Bree Mills says she gets more limited by payment processors than the government (though that might be switching).
Ever wonder why every faux-incest video goes out of the way to say everyone is a step family? Step father, step daughter, step mother, step brother, all somehow living in the same house, over 18, and no blood relation? The first amendment protects them from the US government, so that's not why. Credit card companies are why. The old Taboo series was distributed differently back in the day. Can't make that anymore.
This also applies to some of the more extreme BDSM stuff, like blood play or scat. Won't find them on kink.com.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Well in germany doing porn that implies incest or csam even if the actors are not related or over 18 can still get you jail time
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First they came for the incestuous porn
Then they came for the furries
Then they came for games with violence
Then...
Then...
Then...Nah they love violence. It keeps the gravy seals as hapless betas.
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They probably do wear diapers aswell.
you must be into beastility, if your projecting this much about it, .
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Steam could pursue other payment processing possibilities
Imagine you can't use visa or mastercard. What other fucking payment card acceptance system are you going to use for payment processing in under 30 seconds?
Why shouldn’t the payment processors get a say in the payments they process
Because it's none of their business what I buy. If a store is a reputable business that isn't defrauding me, and are a legal entity, then whatever they sell to me or I buy from them should only matter to me and the seller.
Illegal or not, why should they be forced to process payments that facilitate things against their beliefs?
So half the market can get nuked once the CEO decides whatever faith du jour they have disallows whatever?
Imagine you can't use visa or mastercard. What other fucking payment card acceptance system are you going to use for payment processing in under 30 seconds?
Amex. Discover. Diners Club. Venmo.
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It's porn. We can focus on more important things billionaires are ruining.
Sweet summer child. Porn is the reason we have VHS, porn is the reason we have the internet, porn was doing video streaming before Netflix and YouTube. Porn is one of the greatest motivating forces in this world.
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What if these payment processors have decided it's bad business for them to process payments for incest porn games?
On what grounds would doing so operationally impair the platform? Is it illegal? Does it prevent them from servicing other businesses in a timely fashion? Does it cost more money in a way that can't be reflected in the service fee structure?
Explain to me what reason they would have for objecting that isn't just a different way of phrasing "morality judgment" or "image management".Do you also think that a shipping company should be able to refuse to ship products from businesses they don't approve of, even if it's functionally identical to something else they would ship?
What about either of those companies refusing service to someone because of their sexual orientation or gender identity?People used to say it's bad business to service gays, blacks, Jews, Catholics, Hispanics and the Irish. At some point we decided that businesses need to shut the fuck up and just do business without judging, or else their service has no place in society.
The free market that businesses love so much exists entirely through the grace and in the service of society at large. If they fail to at least not harm society, why should society extend that courtesy to them? -
I find the fact that people want to fuck animals pretty nasty, yes.
You should work on learning how to handle those feelings. Most people just ignore it when other people do stuff they think is gross if it's not hurting anyone.
For example, I think egg salad is pretty gross. I manage this in my day to day life by "not buying egg salad", and if I run into it I usually just "move along quickly", or say "oh, no thank you".
I doubt people are as pushy with furry porn as they are with egg salad, unless you and I live in shockingly different worlds. -
Do you have proof of this? Capitalism doesn’t know any sort of morality or ideology other than that which allows it to extract the most value
If that was as true as you want it to be, chick fil a would be open on Sunday.
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Imagine you can't use visa or mastercard. What other fucking payment card acceptance system are you going to use for payment processing in under 30 seconds?
Amex. Discover. Diners Club. Venmo.
and will they accept me selling incredibly controversial pervert games that disgust even the most perverse?
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When did you decide your sexuality?
Did you decide what sex you're attracted to?
No you didn't. If that where the case, anyone could change at any time they wanted. Ask Turing how that went for him. Or any other homosexual through the ages.
Thank you for proving my point. Sexuality is not a decision, and that doesn't stop at what gender(s) you're attracted to.
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and will they accept me selling incredibly controversial pervert games that disgust even the most perverse?
I don't know. Visa and MasterCard did for 20 years, so maybe. I don't really care either way. I'm not going to judge people who play "Interactive Sex - Daddy Daughter Incest Volume 4" but I'm not going to go to bat for them either. I can think of way better hills to die on.
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I wouldn't really care if Steam decided to crack down on porn games, its their store. Payment processors being the ones to force Valve's hands simply doesn't sit right.
an unelected duopoly can basically dictate global laws.
definitely dystopian
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I don't know. Visa and MasterCard did for 20 years, so maybe. I don't really care either way. I'm not going to judge people who play "Interactive Sex - Daddy Daughter Incest Volume 4" but I'm not going to go to bat for them either. I can think of way better hills to die on.
sure, we're both on the same page, but pointing out non-alternative alternatives isn't exactly a contribution to a discussion.
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As a form of protest, we should all start scooping up incest porn games.
Found Jamie Lannister's account.
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I'm genuinely confused about what point you are trying to make.
Edited to add, why doesn't someone who understands the point better than I do try to elucidate? Instead of just downvoting me for stating that I didn't understand. Like what does corporate religion mean? I'm so confused.
The banks have their own "ethical code" or "operating principle"' which invariably are just carbon copies of the board of directors or owners religious disposition. So you get shit where capitalism is enforcing the morals of a deeply depraved peoples onto the entirety of the country and world.
I know incest is gross. But it doesn't hurt anyone. And for them to come in and say "spending money on that filthy sin is ILLEGAL!!!" because they control the only methods by which that content can be accessed, is literally corporate fascism. It's "rule by corporation" not cooperation as a democracy should be.
The very idea that ANYONE who supports a free state would support those who control the most wealth also controlling ALL OTHER WEALTH ON THE PLANET by virtue of limiting what it may be spent on, is so egregiously, heinously evil that I wish to personally skull fuck anyone who espouses it.
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Is it just me, or does the first photo seem to read that the payment processor standards and the removal of invest games are unrelated? Like, games removed that violate payments processor standards removed. At the same time, incest games are removed too.
With the paragraph break it feels unclear that these incest games are likely in violation of the standards, and instead that they are seperate matters and in fact payments processors may not care about incest games at all.
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I hope that the EU creates a digital currency system that is universal, and for privacy coins to become common. I don't want to deal with American payment processors, because they want to prevent me from supporting the people who make my life better.
Payment should be a dumb pipe, allowing me and you to uphold the social contract.
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Well in germany doing porn that implies incest or csam even if the actors are not related or over 18 can still get you jail time
CSAM sure, but is incest porn really mentioned in the StGB? There's 173 StGB, but that is for the actual act and not pretending.
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I don't have any fear that Gabe will tank steam.
But I will fear what happens after him
Or imagine the worst case. Gabe is the world's greatest prankster. He's a true internet troll for the ages. He's spent decades getting millions and millions of people dependent on his game hosting. He's got hardware. He stands astride the game industry like a colossus. But the key is that Valve is still a private corporation. In theory, Gabe could do whatever he wants with it. Including, finally committing the last stage of his ultimate prank. One day...he just flips the off switch. Steam never enshittifies. It just shuts off forever without warning.
And thus, with one stroke, his master chess move concluded (to reasons comprehensible only to Gabe), he just shuts it off and walks away. His last words in public are, "it turns out, I was the greatest gamer of all the whole time..."
