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Dems don't want to win every election because that would break the scam.
Send in the republicans to loot our money and then send in the dems to fix everything up enough to where they can loot again.
Fix? Best we can do is Most Lethal Military Ever and expanding the programs we all agreed were bad under Trump.
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Theres no anti-gay sentiment, they are mocking liberal pinkwashing.
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Bernie has been a senator for decades, but lost by a wide margin to Clinton.
The party's ratfucking works most of the time, yes. When it works, people who like the results tout them as indicative of what the results would be without the ratfucking. When the party's ratfucking fails, it's never indicative of broader trends in the electorate.
Conveniently. Your wing of the party prefers trump to any progressive in all cases.
I'm European so none of your mess of a political system is mine in any way. Even in the European system I'm left of center, so something Americans don't even imagine.
That doesn't prevent me from seeing that by and large the American population has rejected progressives at every step, and some delusional people on the internet keep blaming the DNC and seeking excuses, just because a progressive sometimes wins in NYC or southern California.
Enjoy the trump.
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I'm European so none of your mess of a political system is mine in any way. Even in the European system I'm left of center, so something Americans don't even imagine.
That doesn't prevent me from seeing that by and large the American population has rejected progressives at every step, and some delusional people on the internet keep blaming the DNC and seeking excuses, just because a progressive sometimes wins in NYC or southern California.
Enjoy the trump.
I’m European so
so stick to being misinformed about your own region's politics.
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What does +n favourability mean?
wrote last edited by [email protected]There's 100 people in the room
10 think you're annoying, 80 love you, 10 dont care
A "net" when talking numbers is the difference, so you would have a net favorability of 70%.
Because it's the people who like you minus the people who dislike you, and no one cares about the people who don't care.Quick edit:
I didn't check if that 73% is real or just to make a point, but if it is, 73% net favorability is obviously insanely popular. Cracking 50% overall is pretty much considered a shoe in
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Yeah, if only he wasn't obstructed like Obama was at every turn by republicans, then blamed for 'doing nothing'
the same trick every time. gerrymandering, no nothing republicans standing in the way of progress and tricking people like you into thinking its the democrats faults. Even when they enact policies that they came up with. (tell me the name of the conservative who filibustered his own bill when obama approved it. you wont, because you are a shill)
Yeah, if only he wasn’t obstructed like Obama was at every turn by republicans
You do know Biden as VP was the dog whistle to show the wealthy they could vote for Obama and nothing would get done ...
Right?
It's wasn't just Republicans that's stopped M4A, just like back with FDR the "moderates" sided with the Republicans.
Biden said he wanted some things to happen, but never tried because he kept saying he didn't know if it would work
If you think Biden legitimately put effort in for two years Dems had majority ...
Why the fuck did Biden spend so much time calling himself the fucking "Senate whisper"?
His whole deal was he could work with Republicans, and when we got majorities he threw his hands up and said trying would be a waste of fucking time.
If you didn't pay attention to any of that, the last election must have made no sense to you at all...
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Yeah, if only he wasn’t obstructed like Obama was at every turn by republicans
You do know Biden as VP was the dog whistle to show the wealthy they could vote for Obama and nothing would get done ...
Right?
It's wasn't just Republicans that's stopped M4A, just like back with FDR the "moderates" sided with the Republicans.
Biden said he wanted some things to happen, but never tried because he kept saying he didn't know if it would work
If you think Biden legitimately put effort in for two years Dems had majority ...
Why the fuck did Biden spend so much time calling himself the fucking "Senate whisper"?
His whole deal was he could work with Republicans, and when we got majorities he threw his hands up and said trying would be a waste of fucking time.
If you didn't pay attention to any of that, the last election must have made no sense to you at all...
You do know Biden as VP was the dog whistle to show the wealthy they could vote for Obama and nothing would get done
who did the ACA? who came up with that plan? Lets hear it finally.
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Wha...
Mamdani is the DNC candidate. Why is he telling himself he won't endorse himself in this fanfic?
He literally went to breakfast with the literal federal DNC congressmen this week and after that they've been retweeting each other things like "Proud of our Democratic nominee for NYC Mayor. Let’s win!”
JFC with this constant imaginary divide between the "evil corporate dnc", ya'll are smelling smoke and screaming fire when you're actually just having a stroke.
The media is presenting the current DNC as identical to prior ones ...
Because they're scared of a FDR like movement from the current one.
And ignorant people on social media dont know how the DNC works or what a chair even does.
We won the war over the party, the billionaires lost.
So now they're banking on how uninformed voters are so they can convince them to double down on changing DNC leadership so neoliberals get the wheel again.
You can't explain it to them, because if they weren't idiots they'd already know all of this considering were talking about people that choose to discuss politics online.
You'd think they'd be up to date on what happened six months ago, but they have no idea
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At this point, the Dem party consider themselves retired.; enjoying their investor's cash, and playing fiddle while DC burns.
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Stop gaslighting progressives just because your wing of the party is lobbing Islamophobic hate at Mamdani.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You honestly don't get?
Like. This isn't a bit you're doing, you legitimately don't understand?
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I’m European so
so stick to being misinformed about your own region's politics.
"Everything I don't like is misinformation. Don't ask questions."
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You do know Biden as VP was the dog whistle to show the wealthy they could vote for Obama and nothing would get done
who did the ACA? who came up with that plan? Lets hear it finally.
wrote last edited by [email protected]who did the ACA? who came up with that plan? Lets hear it finally
Mit Romney?
Although technically when it got past Dem moderates it was a more conservative version of Romney's plan...
Do people still not know that in 2025?
https://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/23/mitt-romney-admits-romneycare-had-to-precede-obamacare.html
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-mitt-romney-saved-obamacare-msna626361
https://www.politifact.com/article/2012/mar/20/romneycare-and-obamacare-can-you-tell-difference/
I'm constantly surprised how people can be so opinionated, but never curious enough to learn....
Like, that's my whole point
Obama sold us "fixing healthcare"
And we literally ended up with a more conservative version of the Republican plan. Because moderate Dems sided with Republicans.
Were you agreeing wit me and I just "whooshed"?
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but you suddenly care NOW? nope you are a fake.
Again, netanyahu massively ramped up the genocide, to the point where no one could deny it in good faith, and EVEN THEN democrats wouldn't stop selling him weapons.
In this conversation, you've been a lot angrier at people who joined the opposition to genocide than you have been about the genocide itself.
no one could deny it in good faith? They couldn't for 70 years. You are all only now crying about it because you hate democrats. Do you think palestinians suddenly think you are on their side? No. you are all fake. Just like trumps hair, just like trumps make up, fake up from the waist down. "OH NO GENOCIDE! the same one thats been happening for decades I suddenly care about it, now that i hate biden and obama!"
get outta here with your 'concern'
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So there should be a socialist party no?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yes, ideally, but the US system is completely rigged in a million different ways to make the emergence of a meaningful 3rd party almost impossible.
The way we award seats, first past the post, is horrendously flawed, and means that if every specifically defined area just barely has a majority... the net effect is a government that is way, way out of sync with what the broader population actually wants.
And this is all rigged by regularly and precisely redrawing all those specific geographic areas to make it so they are either clearly gonna be Rep or Dem, or 51-49 split that looks 'reasonably fair' on paper, but in practice, almost always goes to that 51.
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Ironically, if Musk goes through with making his own third party... he, the literal richest man in the world, is basically the only person that could possibly pull that off.
That is how huge of a role money plays in US politics.
Takes the richest man in the world to be even maybe potentially able to counteract all the rest of the combined lobbying money of other corporate lobbyists... and thats assuming he was able to basically shut the fuck up and let at least strategically competent people run the whole show.
Going by the probably actually legit poll Elon commissioned to be run about possible support for an Elon party, here are the numbers I ended up with:
(will update in a moment, gotta go find my old post)
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Ok, heres the full poll:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1R4pZVo0ZnrQyElZQzdNtt7CQ1zwTypuS/view
Here's some rough, but reasonable math to extrapolate.
If you say half of the 'somewhat likely's actually go for it, then you get this:
Republicans who join Elon Party: 34.25%
Independents who join Elon Party: 28.25%
Democrats who join Elon Party: 13.75%
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There are more Dem voters than Republicans.
But there are also more independents than either.
Roughly 32% Reps, 33% Dems, 35% Indp.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/the-partisanship-and-ideology-of-american-voters/
So, throw that in with those previous calcs, and you end up with:
Reps: ~21%
Dems: ~28.5%
Elons: ~25.5%
Indps: ~25%
or, normalized to remove remaining Indps:
Reps: 28%, Dems: 38%, Elons: 34%.
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So... theoretically, the Dems are still the largest, Elon is now second behind them, and the Reps are now a third party, less popular than having no solid political affiliation.
So if Elon actually goes through with this, I think you end up with a good number of corpo Dems leaving the Dems, so the Dems now have an easier time shifting to the left.
The Reps lose 1/3 of their voters, and basically just become a cult of idiot racist nazis, paleocons, theocrats, MAGA nutjobs.
Elon party ... basically becomes the 'centrist'/libertarian/ancap/corpo party.
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who did the ACA? who came up with that plan? Lets hear it finally
Mit Romney?
Although technically when it got past Dem moderates it was a more conservative version of Romney's plan...
Do people still not know that in 2025?
https://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/23/mitt-romney-admits-romneycare-had-to-precede-obamacare.html
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-mitt-romney-saved-obamacare-msna626361
https://www.politifact.com/article/2012/mar/20/romneycare-and-obamacare-can-you-tell-difference/
I'm constantly surprised how people can be so opinionated, but never curious enough to learn....
Like, that's my whole point
Obama sold us "fixing healthcare"
And we literally ended up with a more conservative version of the Republican plan. Because moderate Dems sided with Republicans.
Were you agreeing wit me and I just "whooshed"?
Mit Romney?
yep, and guess who suddenly opposed it once it was put forward? Who's party opposed it? who is trying to get rid of it?
Who called it "obama-care" ? and why wasnt it "romney Care?" I am also surprised at how people who are seemingly smart can watch a political party do a 180 degree turn on their own designs just to obstruct. and then literally say their obstruction is the fault of the opposition. Its like watching a child being told to step on a lego and then the parent tells them its not their fault.
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You honestly don't get?
Like. This isn't a bit you're doing, you legitimately don't understand?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Understand what? That we're supposed to accept the smears of people like Jeffries and Gilibrand as "endorsements" just because centrists want to maintain the ridiculous fiction that party leadership doesn't work against progressives?
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Mit Romney?
yep, and guess who suddenly opposed it once it was put forward? Who's party opposed it? who is trying to get rid of it?
Who called it "obama-care" ? and why wasnt it "romney Care?" I am also surprised at how people who are seemingly smart can watch a political party do a 180 degree turn on their own designs just to obstruct. and then literally say their obstruction is the fault of the opposition. Its like watching a child being told to step on a lego and then the parent tells them its not their fault.
Like. Little. Babies.Right ...
So what about the elected Democrats who said Romenys plan had to become more conservative for them to vote for it?
Everyone on the correct side has a D by their name, you seem to get that...
You just don't understand that everyone with a D by their isn't on the correct side
Every square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square
I hope that got thru to you, but I'll never know
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"Everything I don't like is misinformation. Don't ask questions."
I mean, you've spent this entire conversation conveniently ignoring the actions of the democratic party against progressives.
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no one could deny it in good faith? They couldn't for 70 years. You are all only now crying about it because you hate democrats. Do you think palestinians suddenly think you are on their side? No. you are all fake. Just like trumps hair, just like trumps make up, fake up from the waist down. "OH NO GENOCIDE! the same one thats been happening for decades I suddenly care about it, now that i hate biden and obama!"
get outta here with your 'concern'
Well, one of us wanted biden to stop selling weapons for the genocide you've done nothing but equivocate in favor of.
I don't know where you're getting the idea that I hate obama.
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I'm fucking trans, stop knee-jerking. I'm absolutely mocking liberalism because they're center right at best and absolutely complicit in the rise of fascism.
