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I'm about to be shit on as a Zionist for defending the death of innocent children, but here goes:
Isreal is just as full of innocent children. They don't deserve to die for the genocide their parents are being tricked into ignoring.
The armor is for those children. Not their parents. AOC is literally saying that defending the lives of innocents matter more than attacking genociders. When they are mixed together, you can't target one without the other.
So yeah, the Iron Dome protects genociders, but it also protects their kids and other innocent people. It actually protects civilians and their children far more than it protects the politicians who don't even live there.
Why isnt there an iron dome on the Palestinian side if she really thinks the lives of the innocent are so damn precious? It's great they want to protect the children of the oppressors, but not the ones being attacked unprovoked? What's stopping them from stepping up for the actual casualties?
Wow, so much humanity.
Fucking hypocrites always trying to do a mental gymnastic to justify their crimes against humanity.
But whatever makes you sleep better at night.
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People just can't handle the fact that sometimes people who are generally good can be really really wrong and need to come to with dumbass conspiracies to explain it.
It's actually identical to why there's so many stupid conspiracy theories about everything. People can't handle the idea that the world is chaos
"really really wrong" is also an overstatement on a post that acknowledges and calls for and end to the genocide?
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It's not really the same I'd say. If you live in Israel, I feel like you can easily move elsewhere. Not sure, just me spitballing that many countries would be ok with them being granted asylum.
If you're in the US, you can also easily move elsewhere. The problem is not whether its legally possible or materially feasible, but whether it's ethical to force people to do so.
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Wow you are making an argument that Hamas runs a democratic state. Yikes. Wish you would have led with that it would have saved us all a lot of time.
By the way who said anything about defend? I know you've moved the goal post a hell of a lot during our conversation but that one's so far I left field I don't think it's in the galaxy.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I said they were elected into power. Do you believe Trump and the Republican-controlled Congress are representing their constituents in our representative democracy?
I have moved no goalposts. I maintain the defense of innocent civilians, regardless of their residence. This became a debate when you suggested there are no innocent civilians in Israel, simply because Netanyahu is the aggressor. That’s wildly narrow-minded.
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"really really wrong" is also an overstatement on a post that acknowledges and calls for and end to the genocide?
Of course she's against the genocide. I don't believe she's suddenly "tHe EnEmY" or whatever. But I do firmly believe that this vote was a complete mistake, as do many others. And being vocal about that is kind of our civic duty.
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Imagine its the USA commiting genocide and bombing Mexico or something, and you do not support the actions of your country but your family is only alive because of the iron dome protecting you from the bombs that are just flying over your heads between these two countries.
Your family, which neither country cares about, is who AOC and other people like us are thinking of.
We are not in favor of either country-- we are on the side of humanity.
They are able to be belligerent and put their population at little risk because of the funding the US provides. It goes both ways. The narrative is so baked into our politics that it's incredibly difficult to divorce from the idea of providing non offensive aide as well.
The Knesset doesn't magically have broad support for continuing the genocide out of thin air. The US is accountable for all the terror we have wrought too, especially if our "accountable" politicians can vote for things like this and try to spin justification for it.
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Anyone who uses "zios" unironically is almost always an actual anti-semite.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Just fyi but most Zios, especially in the US, are in fact evangelical Christians who worship Israel instead of Jesus.
See Ted Cruz being interviewed by Tucker Carlson
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Yeah personally I don't think Israel should have access to any more American Technology including missiles regardless of their use since they can be used offensively and they're currently committing a genocide.
Until the Palestinians are free I think it's pretty apt to just reject all forms of aid to Israel.
Also there's quite a few people here defending "Zionism" which is disappointing to see.
Zionism has been described by several scholars as a form of settler colonialism in relation to the region of Palestine and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.
Zionism's founders and early leaders were aware and unapologetic about their status as colonizers. Many early leading Zionists such as Theodor Herzl, Max Nordau, and Ze'ev Jabotinsky described Zionism as colonization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_as_settler_colonialism
It's so astounding that the US sends aid to Israel to make sure their population has free healthcare/education, given what it looks like inside the US
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It's so astounding that the US sends aid to Israel to make sure their population has free healthcare/education, given what it looks like inside the US
We sent them $17.9 billion since Oct 2023.
That money could easily pay for United States Social Services multiple times
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I understand what you're saying, and I agree with the intent, but I don't agree with it. If the people of Israel have to face consequences for their actions, they might take a stand and force their government to stop. They aren't innocent until they're doing what they can to force a cessation of the violence. As long as they feel safe they won't feel the pressure to stand up. I don't like it when people die, but I also recognize that sometimes it can save lives in the long-term.
A 6 month old baby who has no control over being born in Israel literally can't do anything to help the cessation of violence. The elderly, disabled, ill, or abused, literally can't do anything to help the cessation of violence.
There are a lot of people that have no ways or means to do anything to stop what Israel is doing. They are just stuck there.
So I don't think their deaths should be viewed as a necessity to stop this conflict just because Israel is hiding behind them.
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Something I started doing recently is anytime I see some moronic maga take on Tik tok or wherever, I’ll spam “Where are the Epstein files?” To every response. Makes me feel good that they can come up with a response to it.
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I'm about to be shit on as a Zionist for defending the death of innocent children, but here goes:
Isreal is just as full of innocent children. They don't deserve to die for the genocide their parents are being tricked into ignoring.
The armor is for those children. Not their parents. AOC is literally saying that defending the lives of innocents matter more than attacking genociders. When they are mixed together, you can't target one without the other.
So yeah, the Iron Dome protects genociders, but it also protects their kids and other innocent people. It actually protects civilians and their children far more than it protects the politicians who don't even live there.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I will support giving defensive missiles at the same time we give the Palestinians military aid to defend themselves as well. Remember, the Palestinians have just as much right to armed self defense as the Israelis. In fact, the Palestinians obviously need a lot more defensive military tech than the Israelis. I'll support giving the Israelis defensive missiles after we've already given the Gazans so many that they can establish their own no fly zone over Gaza.
Obviously, if the goal is defending children, we need to start with the most vulnerable children first. We should send missile batteries to the Gazans first. After their safety is assured, then we can worry about the much richer much more powerful country.
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She literally just said we should take away their offensive weapons. How on earth does that equal “being bought” by Israel?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Because she doesn't place Palestinians and Israelis on equal moral footing. Fundamentally, she doesn't believe they both have an equal claim to humanity. This is obvious because she is proposing giving defensive missiles to the Israelis, but not to the Palestinians, who objectively are at much, much greater need of defensive military aid.
You cannot truly believe both Palestinians and Israelis are equally human unless you recognize they both have an equal right of armed self defense. The Gazans have just as much right to kill in self defense as the Israelis do.
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How is it different? There are plenty of Israelis who condemn Netanyahu and his atrocities. They should be killed because they were born in the wrong nation and more of their neighbors supported this leader?
Netanyahu’s favorably rating is below Trump’s. It’s a fair equivalence.
Condemning all Israelis for the actions of Netanyahu is no different than condemning all Palestinians for the actions of Hamas.
How is it different? There are plenty of Israelis who condemn Netanyahu and his atrocities. They should be killed because they were born in the wrong nation and more of their neighbors supported this leader?
I agree. We should give the Israelis defensive missiles. But only after we've given the Gazans enough military aid to protect their own skies against incursion by the Israelis. After all, the Gazans are clearly the ones in much objectively greater need. We only have so many missiles to give. We need to give them to those with the greatest need. Once the Gazans are well defended, then we can worry about providing aid to the wealthy country.
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Something I started doing recently is anytime I see some moronic maga take on Tik tok or wherever, I’ll spam “Where are the Epstein files?” To every response. Makes me feel good that they can come up with a response to it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]That's the correct strategy. Populism must be fought with populism. Fully fleshed out logical arguments don't work on people that fall for "Biden did that".
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A 6 month old baby who has no control over being born in Israel literally can't do anything to help the cessation of violence. The elderly, disabled, ill, or abused, literally can't do anything to help the cessation of violence.
There are a lot of people that have no ways or means to do anything to stop what Israel is doing. They are just stuck there.
So I don't think their deaths should be viewed as a necessity to stop this conflict just because Israel is hiding behind them.
A 6 month old baby who has no control over being born in Israel literally can’t do anything to help the cessation of violence.
A 6 month old baby in Gaza is very likely to die of starvation or in a bombing. I don't see you giving a shit.
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Imagine its the USA commiting genocide and bombing Mexico or something, and you do not support the actions of your country but your family is only alive because of the iron dome protecting you from the bombs that are just flying over your heads between these two countries.
Your family, which neither country cares about, is who AOC and other people like us are thinking of.
We are not in favor of either country-- we are on the side of humanity.
Imagine you're in Mexico during that situation and watching people who support the US genocide feign neutrality and then claim they're on the side of humanity.
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How is it different? There are plenty of Israelis who condemn Netanyahu and his atrocities. They should be killed because they were born in the wrong nation and more of their neighbors supported this leader?
I agree. We should give the Israelis defensive missiles. But only after we've given the Gazans enough military aid to protect their own skies against incursion by the Israelis. After all, the Gazans are clearly the ones in much objectively greater need. We only have so many missiles to give. We need to give them to those with the greatest need. Once the Gazans are well defended, then we can worry about providing aid to the wealthy country.
Oh absolutely. We should be leveraging Israel’s aid to ensure compliance for Palestinian aid delivery and maintaining safe routes.
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The analogy is so stupid since the rockets fired at israel dont kill the people murdering palestinians. They kill everywhere they land.
So more fitting would be taking away the bullet proof wests of the people cowering down behind the mass shooter
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No she said "I am in favor of giving them free interceptors so their victims cannot retaliate."
"Killing children is ok as long as they're Israeli."
You're showing your hand a little too much. You're supposed to pretend to take the high road so that progressives feel they can't make a difference and fascists win by default. Don't forget your mission.
