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Imagine its the USA commiting genocide and bombing Mexico or something, and you do not support the actions of your country but your family is only alive because of the iron dome protecting you from the bombs that are just flying over your heads between these two countries.
Your family, which neither country cares about, is who AOC and other people like us are thinking of.
We are not in favor of either country-- we are on the side of humanity.
They are able to be belligerent and put their population at little risk because of the funding the US provides. It goes both ways. The narrative is so baked into our politics that it's incredibly difficult to divorce from the idea of providing non offensive aide as well.
The Knesset doesn't magically have broad support for continuing the genocide out of thin air. The US is accountable for all the terror we have wrought too, especially if our "accountable" politicians can vote for things like this and try to spin justification for it.
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Anyone who uses "zios" unironically is almost always an actual anti-semite.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Just fyi but most Zios, especially in the US, are in fact evangelical Christians who worship Israel instead of Jesus.
See Ted Cruz being interviewed by Tucker Carlson
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Yeah personally I don't think Israel should have access to any more American Technology including missiles regardless of their use since they can be used offensively and they're currently committing a genocide.
Until the Palestinians are free I think it's pretty apt to just reject all forms of aid to Israel.
Also there's quite a few people here defending "Zionism" which is disappointing to see.
Zionism has been described by several scholars as a form of settler colonialism in relation to the region of Palestine and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.
Zionism's founders and early leaders were aware and unapologetic about their status as colonizers. Many early leading Zionists such as Theodor Herzl, Max Nordau, and Ze'ev Jabotinsky described Zionism as colonization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_as_settler_colonialism
It's so astounding that the US sends aid to Israel to make sure their population has free healthcare/education, given what it looks like inside the US
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It's so astounding that the US sends aid to Israel to make sure their population has free healthcare/education, given what it looks like inside the US
We sent them $17.9 billion since Oct 2023.
That money could easily pay for United States Social Services multiple times
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I understand what you're saying, and I agree with the intent, but I don't agree with it. If the people of Israel have to face consequences for their actions, they might take a stand and force their government to stop. They aren't innocent until they're doing what they can to force a cessation of the violence. As long as they feel safe they won't feel the pressure to stand up. I don't like it when people die, but I also recognize that sometimes it can save lives in the long-term.
A 6 month old baby who has no control over being born in Israel literally can't do anything to help the cessation of violence. The elderly, disabled, ill, or abused, literally can't do anything to help the cessation of violence.
There are a lot of people that have no ways or means to do anything to stop what Israel is doing. They are just stuck there.
So I don't think their deaths should be viewed as a necessity to stop this conflict just because Israel is hiding behind them.
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Something I started doing recently is anytime I see some moronic maga take on Tik tok or wherever, I’ll spam “Where are the Epstein files?” To every response. Makes me feel good that they can come up with a response to it.
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I'm about to be shit on as a Zionist for defending the death of innocent children, but here goes:
Isreal is just as full of innocent children. They don't deserve to die for the genocide their parents are being tricked into ignoring.
The armor is for those children. Not their parents. AOC is literally saying that defending the lives of innocents matter more than attacking genociders. When they are mixed together, you can't target one without the other.
So yeah, the Iron Dome protects genociders, but it also protects their kids and other innocent people. It actually protects civilians and their children far more than it protects the politicians who don't even live there.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I will support giving defensive missiles at the same time we give the Palestinians military aid to defend themselves as well. Remember, the Palestinians have just as much right to armed self defense as the Israelis. In fact, the Palestinians obviously need a lot more defensive military tech than the Israelis. I'll support giving the Israelis defensive missiles after we've already given the Gazans so many that they can establish their own no fly zone over Gaza.
Obviously, if the goal is defending children, we need to start with the most vulnerable children first. We should send missile batteries to the Gazans first. After their safety is assured, then we can worry about the much richer much more powerful country.
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She literally just said we should take away their offensive weapons. How on earth does that equal “being bought” by Israel?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Because she doesn't place Palestinians and Israelis on equal moral footing. Fundamentally, she doesn't believe they both have an equal claim to humanity. This is obvious because she is proposing giving defensive missiles to the Israelis, but not to the Palestinians, who objectively are at much, much greater need of defensive military aid.
You cannot truly believe both Palestinians and Israelis are equally human unless you recognize they both have an equal right of armed self defense. The Gazans have just as much right to kill in self defense as the Israelis do.
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How is it different? There are plenty of Israelis who condemn Netanyahu and his atrocities. They should be killed because they were born in the wrong nation and more of their neighbors supported this leader?
Netanyahu’s favorably rating is below Trump’s. It’s a fair equivalence.
Condemning all Israelis for the actions of Netanyahu is no different than condemning all Palestinians for the actions of Hamas.
How is it different? There are plenty of Israelis who condemn Netanyahu and his atrocities. They should be killed because they were born in the wrong nation and more of their neighbors supported this leader?
I agree. We should give the Israelis defensive missiles. But only after we've given the Gazans enough military aid to protect their own skies against incursion by the Israelis. After all, the Gazans are clearly the ones in much objectively greater need. We only have so many missiles to give. We need to give them to those with the greatest need. Once the Gazans are well defended, then we can worry about providing aid to the wealthy country.
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Something I started doing recently is anytime I see some moronic maga take on Tik tok or wherever, I’ll spam “Where are the Epstein files?” To every response. Makes me feel good that they can come up with a response to it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]That's the correct strategy. Populism must be fought with populism. Fully fleshed out logical arguments don't work on people that fall for "Biden did that".
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A 6 month old baby who has no control over being born in Israel literally can't do anything to help the cessation of violence. The elderly, disabled, ill, or abused, literally can't do anything to help the cessation of violence.
There are a lot of people that have no ways or means to do anything to stop what Israel is doing. They are just stuck there.
So I don't think their deaths should be viewed as a necessity to stop this conflict just because Israel is hiding behind them.
A 6 month old baby who has no control over being born in Israel literally can’t do anything to help the cessation of violence.
A 6 month old baby in Gaza is very likely to die of starvation or in a bombing. I don't see you giving a shit.
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Imagine its the USA commiting genocide and bombing Mexico or something, and you do not support the actions of your country but your family is only alive because of the iron dome protecting you from the bombs that are just flying over your heads between these two countries.
Your family, which neither country cares about, is who AOC and other people like us are thinking of.
We are not in favor of either country-- we are on the side of humanity.
Imagine you're in Mexico during that situation and watching people who support the US genocide feign neutrality and then claim they're on the side of humanity.
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How is it different? There are plenty of Israelis who condemn Netanyahu and his atrocities. They should be killed because they were born in the wrong nation and more of their neighbors supported this leader?
I agree. We should give the Israelis defensive missiles. But only after we've given the Gazans enough military aid to protect their own skies against incursion by the Israelis. After all, the Gazans are clearly the ones in much objectively greater need. We only have so many missiles to give. We need to give them to those with the greatest need. Once the Gazans are well defended, then we can worry about providing aid to the wealthy country.
Oh absolutely. We should be leveraging Israel’s aid to ensure compliance for Palestinian aid delivery and maintaining safe routes.
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The analogy is so stupid since the rockets fired at israel dont kill the people murdering palestinians. They kill everywhere they land.
So more fitting would be taking away the bullet proof wests of the people cowering down behind the mass shooter
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No she said "I am in favor of giving them free interceptors so their victims cannot retaliate."
"Killing children is ok as long as they're Israeli."
You're showing your hand a little too much. You're supposed to pretend to take the high road so that progressives feel they can't make a difference and fascists win by default. Don't forget your mission.
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A 6 month old baby who has no control over being born in Israel literally can’t do anything to help the cessation of violence.
A 6 month old baby in Gaza is very likely to die of starvation or in a bombing. I don't see you giving a shit.
I give just as much of a shit.
Being on the side of humanity is not hard to understand. Innocent lives should be protected. Period. They literally have no control over their nationality, and it's childish to believe they do. -
Imagine you're in Mexico during that situation and watching people who support the US genocide feign neutrality and then claim they're on the side of humanity.
I have been in that situation, since one of the most powerful cartels in the nation burnt down my home resulting in the death of my older sister.
The problem with such conflicts is that there's no clear simple solution because the perpetrators (in my case and Gaza) feed off immense amounts of American weapons and money, both political, corporate, and dark.
It takes a lot of imperfect efforts to starve the beast, and MTG is not gonna offer any such opportunities.
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Oh absolutely. We should be leveraging Israel’s aid to ensure compliance for Palestinian aid delivery and maintaining safe routes.
No. I'm talking about giving Iron Dome batteries to the command of Gazan militia forces. If we are going to support Israeli armed self defense, we also need to support Gazan armed self defense. I'm not talking food aid here. I'm talking missiles.
