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  • L [email protected]

    "If we let you control your phones you'll just mess them up!"

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    wasn't there also some concern about messing up the radio communication for a lot of users?

    the idea was that you actually can't mess with radio communications. if you send too much data, it kinda clogs the airspace of radio frequencies and that' actually illegal to do in many countries. rooting the android phone lets you access the radio antenna directly, and you can't let playful nerds mess up the city's mobile internet for a million inhabitants every other day. especially since the source of interference would be hard to track down.

    Now i wonder what that would mean for mobile internet usb peripherals that you can plug into linux laptop and desktop machines. how do they solve this issue?

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    • natenate60@lemmy.worldN [email protected]

      As it is right now, my cell phone replaces a collection of about six plastic cards. I have not yet found a wieldy phone case that has space to store payment cards.

      Realistically, this question could also be asked with cash. If you're going to be pulling out a wallet-like item anyway, and you are that concerned with privacy, why not go with anonymous, fee-free, secure, actually offline paper money? Card processing is not offline. The card machine has to be connected to the Internet for it to work (offline card processing theoretically exists, but is not widely implemented enough to rely on and is not particularly secure).

      If people are going to argue that wanting to pay with a cell phone instead of a plastic card makes me lazy because the card takes a few extra seconds to use compare to the phone, I'm going to argue in turn that they're lazy for using a card when using cash, with all of its privacy benefits, also only takes a few seconds more.

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      How can you spend time thinking about phones, when there are children starving to death in Africa! See, I am can do that too.

      Besides, I do carry cash for everyday expenses, and I do prefer cash. I don't know where you got that idea from.

      But the question was to replace tap-to-pay. Sadly, tapping people with a fiver makes them irritated at best.

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      • N [email protected]

        https://infosec.exchange/@ryanc/114901140203859448

        i recomend this ancient talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg

        https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg

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        yeah, i bet you can ask women who work in the tech industry about their understanding of consent and get some colorful responses.

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        • H [email protected]

          Are you telling me Linux doesn't have automatic updates?

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          I'm using linux mint, which is beginner friendly.
          It doesn't have automatic updates as default.

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          • S [email protected]

            What about it isn't viable? Genuinely curious

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            I can’t use it stock because cell providers can push bullshit apps I don’t want without my permission and I can’t fully disable Gemini. Switching to grapheneOS addresses those concerns, but cause new problems, like killing tap to pay and triggering security flags on games and banking apps.

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            • L [email protected]

              How can you spend time thinking about phones, when there are children starving to death in Africa! See, I am can do that too.

              Besides, I do carry cash for everyday expenses, and I do prefer cash. I don't know where you got that idea from.

              But the question was to replace tap-to-pay. Sadly, tapping people with a fiver makes them irritated at best.

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              I've got nothing against you. I'm just not willing to accept a lecture (from other people, not you) about being "lazy" for wanting tap-to-pay on my cell phone. My statement is that the convenience of tap-to-pay for payment cards and transit passes is not worth the otherwise marginal privacy benefit of switching to Graphene.

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              • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

                wasn't there also some concern about messing up the radio communication for a lot of users?

                the idea was that you actually can't mess with radio communications. if you send too much data, it kinda clogs the airspace of radio frequencies and that' actually illegal to do in many countries. rooting the android phone lets you access the radio antenna directly, and you can't let playful nerds mess up the city's mobile internet for a million inhabitants every other day. especially since the source of interference would be hard to track down.

                Now i wonder what that would mean for mobile internet usb peripherals that you can plug into linux laptop and desktop machines. how do they solve this issue?

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                Rooting the phone means playful nerds could potentially mess up radio frequencies, but they can already do that because they can build radios using readily available electronic components. We already have all kinds of regulations about radio use, and we go after people who actually cause problems.

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                  You’re an information technology?

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                  Sewer clown.

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                  • H [email protected]

                    Are you telling me Linux doesn't have automatic updates?

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                    Sure it does, if you turn them on. Here's the relevant screen in Linux Mint Cinnamon.

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                    • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                      I can’t use it stock because cell providers can push bullshit apps I don’t want without my permission and I can’t fully disable Gemini. Switching to grapheneOS addresses those concerns, but cause new problems, like killing tap to pay and triggering security flags on games and banking apps.

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                      Yeah that's a fair point. Some android models do have minimal or none bloatware, like Google pixel... But also then papa Google owns your ass lol

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                        https://infosec.exchange/@ryanc/114901140203859448

                        i recomend this ancient talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg

                        https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg

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                        As Louis Rossman puts it: rape mentality

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                          Yeah that's a fair point. Some android models do have minimal or none bloatware, like Google pixel... But also then papa Google owns your ass lol

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                          I was actually looking at moving to a pixel fold but the Gemini shit that I can’t turn off turned me away. The Samsung fold7 is incredibly tempting too, but again, I refuse to use their adware riddled shit.

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                          • natenate60@lemmy.worldN [email protected]

                            I've got nothing against you. I'm just not willing to accept a lecture (from other people, not you) about being "lazy" for wanting tap-to-pay on my cell phone. My statement is that the convenience of tap-to-pay for payment cards and transit passes is not worth the otherwise marginal privacy benefit of switching to Graphene.

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                            I understood that, and I disagree with that statement either.

                            A plastic card has no wifi, mobile radio, gps, cameras or microphone. The only data it can give away is "john smith paid here for porn and liquor at 4:20". A phone has all of the above, and uses them to collect data about you, which is then used against you. Graphene, by not running all the vendor-specific, preinstalled garbage in the background, is a lot better in that regard than any smartphone you can buy at the store.

                            So, in my opinion, it is worth to give up the small convenience of tap-to-pay with a phone and use tap-to-pay with a card. Yes, cash would be even better, but better is the enemy of good. Paying with Monero in a dark alley while wearing a ski mask is even better than that, right?

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                              I think a big part of the problem with wider adoption, particularly of less tech savvy people, is the documentation is often terrible. This is true of the FOSS community in general in my experience. There are many great people working on great projects for the FOSS community but when it comes to writing a guide to help people implement things they far too often assume a level of knowledge of the reader that is unreasonable to assume for the wider world of people that could benefit from their work.

                              If more people could write simple, broken down guides on how to implement and use their software then it would decrease the barrier of entry. Far too many things I see have instructions that include terms or processes that are too complex to expect an "average" person to know or understand and that will put a lot of people off as your average user doesnt want to try hard just to figure out the language used for a world they may not have an interest in getting deep into but those same people could probably benefit from the end result.

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                              Tech professionals often seem to believe that anyone without their level of knowledge doesn't want to/can't learn anything technical. I run into people like this on Lemmy often, and it's frustrating. Everyone I know who is less tech savvy, including elderly people, want to learn and understand, they just can't find a source of information that's written for someone like them.

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                              • 5 [email protected]

                                Praying for some stronger ROM support for foldables. As soon as ATT lets my phone go free (2 year contract) installing one would be the first thing I do, except my phone is a Razr Ultra 2025 and I can't even find much for the Z flip let alone the razrs.

                                For now though mullvad stays on with dns blocking and I just keep to Fdroid and Aurora store if needed, not sure what else I can do

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                                Same. I've never seen any alternatives available for my Z Flip. I'm thinking I'll go with a Linux phone next time I need a new one. I don't care anymore if they're "ready" or not.

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                                • L [email protected]

                                  I do the same. I'm close to just delete my samsung account because I don't really need and/or use it.

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                                  I stopped using a Samsung account a long time ago. Never used it with my current phone. It doesn't seem to make a difference.

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                                    Tech professionals often seem to believe that anyone without their level of knowledge doesn't want to/can't learn anything technical. I run into people like this on Lemmy often, and it's frustrating. Everyone I know who is less tech savvy, including elderly people, want to learn and understand, they just can't find a source of information that's written for someone like them.

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                                    Yup, exactly!

                                    I'm pretty tech literate but I still come across things often within the Linux space that I have only recently been delving into properly that are just not written in a clear, understandable manner and I then have to waste hours researching additional things often many layers deep where each successive thing throws up more unknowns.

                                    I agree it is bloody frustrating! I can only imagine how put off people are that don't have any tech know how to begin with!

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                                      I use my laptop for data processing, but most of my tasks can be adequately handled from my phone. There are days when I don't open my computer when I get home from work.

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                                      I don't know how you do it. My phone is mostly used for reading the news. I hate using it for anything more complex, cause all of that is just so much more convenient to do on my linux PC instead with a proper mouse and keyboard.

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                                        Sure it does, if you turn them on. Here's the relevant screen in Linux Mint Cinnamon.

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                                        Do note the bright orange warning!

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                                          Do note the bright orange warning!

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                                          Yep, because the feature is unnecessary when the updates are lightning fast and unobtrusive, but automatically changing things can cause issues too.

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