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  • K [email protected]

    Crypto is not a currency
    Is an environmental disaster
    Has massive deflation

    My first response delt with this. Only bitcoin is an environmental disaster. Deflation is only relevant if you hold a currency long term. Irrelevant for payment processing.

    Seriously, the fuck are we doing here?

    We are discussing how to counter the monopoly stranglehold of payment processors. Crypto is a possible solution that is viable today.

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    #112

    Alright. Here's an argument why crypto doesn't do that.

    Today:
    Me
    Payment processor
    Vendor

    Crypto tomorrow:
    Me
    Payment processor
    Crypto
    Crypto fees
    Payment processor
    Vendor

    So not only am I paying the payment processor twice as much for the interaction (it doesn't matter which processor, since the issue at hand is their monopoly) thus rewarding their censorship, I also wasted a whole bunch more money for the privilege.

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    • stellarst0rm@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

      Not really a meme meme, but i felt like i had to :s

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      #113

      I don't get it. Will they also ban sex shops, adult cinemas and every other offline adult entertainment thing that exist?

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      • C [email protected]

        Alright. Here's an argument why crypto doesn't do that.

        Today:
        Me
        Payment processor
        Vendor

        Crypto tomorrow:
        Me
        Payment processor
        Crypto
        Crypto fees
        Payment processor
        Vendor

        So not only am I paying the payment processor twice as much for the interaction (it doesn't matter which processor, since the issue at hand is their monopoly) thus rewarding their censorship, I also wasted a whole bunch more money for the privilege.

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        #114

        Yes, the round trip is more expensive.

        But if you receive some income in crypto and park it in a stablecoin (like USDC) then you can avoid the price volatility risks and round trip fees. The crypto fees are much less than 2% and this also avoids rewarding censorship.

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        • T [email protected]

          The conditions mean that debts cannot be repaid

          Does deflation make debt easier or harder to repay? šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”

          Again, an econ 101 class would really help you

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          #115

          Deflation makes debt harder to repay and it rewards the debt owners with greater purchasing power.

          This means deflation is actually a good thing for half of the economy (the bond holders). Not the monster it is always made out as being.

          Again. The amount of debt is the worry, not the gradual change in value of the denomination.

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          • W [email protected]

            How are those related? It is possible for some conservatives to want to purge LGBT voices from the internet at the same time other conservatives want to advance crypto. These are not mutually exclusive goals.

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            It does however look really bad that such a massive criminal organization (trump and co) are pushing for it so hard.

            All of this before getting into just how insanely wasteful and terrible for the world that crypto is.

            Sorry that it helps a few artists, but the cost for everyone else is significantly higher to embrace what crypto is.

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            • K [email protected]

              Deflation makes debt harder to repay and it rewards the debt owners with greater purchasing power.

              This means deflation is actually a good thing for half of the economy (the bond holders). Not the monster it is always made out as being.

              Again. The amount of debt is the worry, not the gradual change in value of the denomination.

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              Again. The amount of debt is the worry

              Does deflation increase or decrease the amount of debt? šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”

              I could literally do this all day lol its effortless to just be correct. It must be exhausting to need to constantly spin the argument and futily reconcile the inconsistencies and mental gymnastics of your position.

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              • T [email protected]

                Again. The amount of debt is the worry

                Does deflation increase or decrease the amount of debt? šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”

                I could literally do this all day lol its effortless to just be correct. It must be exhausting to need to constantly spin the argument and futily reconcile the inconsistencies and mental gymnastics of your position.

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                #118

                Does deflation increase or decrease the amount of debt? šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”

                Neither. If you currently owe $100 (interest free) then next year you still owe $100.

                I could literally do this all day lol its effortless to just be correct.

                Of course it's effortless. You are asking questions and not thinking for yourself. I'm the only one giving explanations and providing the correct responses.

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                • K [email protected]

                  Does deflation increase or decrease the amount of debt? šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”

                  Neither. If you currently owe $100 (interest free) then next year you still owe $100.

                  I could literally do this all day lol its effortless to just be correct.

                  Of course it's effortless. You are asking questions and not thinking for yourself. I'm the only one giving explanations and providing the correct responses.

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                  #119

                  Wrong, good try though. Yes, you owe $100, but each dollar is worth more, meaning you owe a greater "real value" (that's an econ 101 term you should look up), or in otherwords, the debt increased.

                  and providing the correct responses

                  šŸ˜‚

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                  • niva@discuss.tchncs.deN [email protected]

                    I don't get it. Will they also ban sex shops, adult cinemas and every other offline adult entertainment thing that exist?

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                    #120

                    Now that weed is being widely accepted legally, porn is the new prohibition.

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                    • T [email protected]

                      Wrong, good try though. Yes, you owe $100, but each dollar is worth more, meaning you owe a greater "real value" (that's an econ 101 term you should look up), or in otherwords, the debt increased.

                      and providing the correct responses

                      šŸ˜‚

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                      #121

                      Nope. The debt is still $100. There is no increase.

                      Being slightly harder to pay back is irrelevant if there are now only $50 of assets in the economy.

                      The inability to repay debt caused the great depression, not deflation.

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                      • K [email protected]

                        Nope. The debt is still $100. There is no increase.

                        Being slightly harder to pay back is irrelevant if there are now only $50 of assets in the economy.

                        The inability to repay debt caused the great depression, not deflation.

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                        #122

                        Nope nope! You're just denying deflation exists, now?? šŸ˜‚ That'll work. This is where mental gymnastics gets you. Sad!

                        Well, looks like I've won.

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                        • T [email protected]

                          Nope nope! You're just denying deflation exists, now?? šŸ˜‚ That'll work. This is where mental gymnastics gets you. Sad!

                          Well, looks like I've won.

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                          Why is deflation bad?

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                            Why is deflation bad?

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                            https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/030915/why-deflation-bad-economy.asp

                            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_deflation

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                            • J [email protected]

                              OnlyFans felt the pressure not too long ago. It's just when they announced they were banning porn, they realized they didn't have anything else. So they reversed course and somehow can still take payments.

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                              Wait what? OF banning porn? Is it 2021 again?

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                              • P [email protected]

                                I wonder how long this will last. The NSFW industry is insanely huge. If the current payment processors cut it off, that leaves a giant gap in the market just waiting to get filled (šŸ˜).

                                If they hold firm on this, it might just be a rare opportunity for a new (and hopefully better) payment processor to enter the market.

                                Or maybe just wider crypto adoption, idk.

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                                #126

                                I have no idea why all of a sudden payment processors care bout anything but money. What happened ?

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                                • T [email protected]

                                  https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/030915/why-deflation-bad-economy.asp

                                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_deflation

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                                  Dude. Read what you post.

                                  A little bit of deflation is a product of, and good for, economic growth. But, in the case of an economy-wide, central bank-fueled debt bubble followed by debt deflation when the bubble bursts, rapidly falling prices can go hand-in-hand with a financial crisis and recession.

                                  Deflation isn't bad. It is a symptom that occurs after an economy-wide, central bank-fueled debt bubble. That's the bad part. The debt that's not being repaid.

                                  This takes us right back to the start of the discussion. In a crypto economy a central bank doesn't even exist, so crypto deflation is never bad.

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                                  • K [email protected]

                                    Dude. Read what you post.

                                    A little bit of deflation is a product of, and good for, economic growth. But, in the case of an economy-wide, central bank-fueled debt bubble followed by debt deflation when the bubble bursts, rapidly falling prices can go hand-in-hand with a financial crisis and recession.

                                    Deflation isn't bad. It is a symptom that occurs after an economy-wide, central bank-fueled debt bubble. That's the bad part. The debt that's not being repaid.

                                    This takes us right back to the start of the discussion. In a crypto economy a central bank doesn't even exist, so crypto deflation is never bad.

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                                    #128

                                    The debt that's not being repaid.

                                    Does deflation make debt easier or harder to repay? šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”

                                    In a crypto economy a central bank doesn't even exist, so crypto deflation is never bad.

                                    šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

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                                      The debt that's not being repaid.

                                      Does deflation make debt easier or harder to repay? šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”

                                      In a crypto economy a central bank doesn't even exist, so crypto deflation is never bad.

                                      šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

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                                      #129

                                      If you are expecting $100 and are only going to get back $50, are you happy that your purchasing power has increased and you are really getting $51 back, or are you angry that you've actually lost $49.

                                      The crisis is the default, not the deflation.

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                                      • stellarst0rm@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                        Not really a meme meme, but i felt like i had to :s

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                                        I'm curious what the banned users commented

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                                        • stellarst0rm@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                          Not really a meme meme, but i felt like i had to :s

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                                          I'm not a cryptobro but these things make me want to hodl on some

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