Child labour with 10 years of experience, 'AI-native' accepting 250k lines of Cursor code
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I fully believe this guy has no idea how horrific the things he's boasting about actually are.
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I fully believe this guy has no idea how horrific the things he's boasting about actually are.
As is the usual on LinkedIn
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In “eXpOsUrE” and “MaRkEt ExPeRiEnCe”
100% this kid is getting just as fucked over as the rest of us, and because he’s young the corpos have a smidge more time to do so before he gets pissed off too.
I saw a question posted recently asking what age everyone was when they learned that they weren't going to get any rewards for working extra hard. I guess in some work it's harder to see than in others.
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I'm 8-10 years from retirement and I'm fine with this. I always knew younger, better coders will come along. Anyone holding on to their 90s or 00s coding skills... Well... Good luck with that.
That, and this kid is still the very rare exception. I don't think he's representative of most 18 year olds.
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I'm 8-10 years from retirement and I'm fine with this. I always knew younger, better coders will come along. Anyone holding on to their 90s or 00s coding skills... Well... Good luck with that.
That, and this kid is still the very rare exception. I don't think he's representative of most 18 year olds.
They're saying it's because he's using AI. They have 250k+ lines of cursor (LLM/AI) generated code in their codebase
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I built a website that uses ChatGPT API for no particular reason whatsoever. Can I slap
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......sure?
This kid doesn't know what he's writing or why, he's just coaxing cursor to vomit up commits and apparently that's their only metric for success.
I work with AI tools and with people who are absolute top tier Cursor users and their shit is always broken. They iterate fast but they absolutely do not fully understand what they're producing. It's great for rolling out flashy UI quickly (apparently the only thing investors care about), then you watch it all go to shit the second you push because every update breaks everything in horrifying ways. It's like watching the early days of enterprise C++/Java where everything was spaghetti, but 100x worse.
I don't think this paradigm of AI is likely to rival a decent human developer, there needs to be a fundamental change in how the models work and how we use them. What were doing now is hoping quantity is somehow going to replace quality.
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"This younger person is better than you and will take your job" oh boy like that's something new that ceos have never said before.
This is an attempt to manipulate workers into accepting lower wages for longer hours. That's what "AI" is to them.
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I built a website that uses ChatGPT API for no particular reason whatsoever. Can I slap
AI-nativeon my resume?You can slap anything on your resume if you can explain it in the interview.
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The more CEOs believe this, the more I will be able to demand in salary about 5 years from now.
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......sure?
This kid doesn't know what he's writing or why, he's just coaxing cursor to vomit up commits and apparently that's their only metric for success.
I work with AI tools and with people who are absolute top tier Cursor users and their shit is always broken. They iterate fast but they absolutely do not fully understand what they're producing. It's great for rolling out flashy UI quickly (apparently the only thing investors care about), then you watch it all go to shit the second you push because every update breaks everything in horrifying ways. It's like watching the early days of enterprise C++/Java where everything was spaghetti, but 100x worse.
I don't think this paradigm of AI is likely to rival a decent human developer, there needs to be a fundamental change in how the models work and how we use them. What were doing now is hoping quantity is somehow going to replace quality.
It's astounding how many lowlifes are using commit counts to measure impact. It's just throwing bisectability out the window and promoting stupid tactics for quick returns.
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They're saying it's because he's using AI. They have 250k+ lines of cursor (LLM/AI) generated code in their codebase
Yep, understood. And I still don't think this is a common skill for most 18 year olds. But I'd like to know if this is more common than I realize.
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I kind of feel bad for the kid and hope he's actually learning something as he goes on.
If not he'll be a "AI-native" McDonalds employee after the bubble bursts.
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Surely, Arno receives 10 times the salary, right?
He doesn't. And don't call me Shirley
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Reality: he got a coworker's kid to sit there for a photoshoot, for this post. That photo looks staged as fuck.
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boasting about child labour...Sir are you by any chance from Florida?
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I hope all the CEOs like this guy go hard all in on AI and prove to the world that it’s a sound business decision.
And if they’re wrong, may they never complain about the hourly rates of contractors they have to call in to dig them out of the hole their AI dug for them.
guess how much people are gonna charge them for debugging 250K lines of AI code or better yet probably writing everything from scratch
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I kind of feel bad for the kid and hope he's actually learning something as he goes on.
If not he'll be a "AI-native" McDonalds employee after the bubble bursts.
"You're right, there is supposed to cheese on a cheeseburger. Please excuse my mistake“
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Yep, understood. And I still don't think this is a common skill for most 18 year olds. But I'd like to know if this is more common than I realize.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]In principle it shouldn't be very hard because premium versions of AI coding assistants keep regenerating the code until it compiles (without requiring anything after the initial prompt). After that it becomes a matter of checking whether the compiled code does what you want. If it does not you can tell it to fix those behaviours without knowing any/much coding at all. Though if you can't point it to the location of the code that causes the problem, it becomes a tug of war. This is because they can't really follow instructions like "keep the last change you made but do this" with %100 efficiency.
We shouldn't even begin to discuss stuff like good practices. If the person using the AI coding assistant isn't experienced in the field and doing stuff like coding databases, then you are pretty much at the mercy of AI. It may superficially seem to know what are good security practices but again if the person at the helm doesn't know them and or can't check them in the code, it is pretty much up to chance. See for instance:
https://www.veracode.com/blog/genai-code-security-report/
I feel like there might be a sweet spot for AI coding assistants but it is definitely not asking it to write a complete app or a website with a db from scratch. They should really tune it so that it can do the time consuming boiler plate stuff so people can actually focus on development, testing, and problem solving. Instead they try to develop it and sell it as an almost completely autonomous coder which seems like a futile effort for the current state of LLMs.
And precisely the approaches like "we don't need old styled senior coders anymore we can get anyone to produce code for cheaper" is what might fuck us. There will be a gap in the transfer of good practices and experience from the older generation to the younger which AI won't be able to fill. People will have to rediscover all of those again with probably quite a lot of pain for them and their users.
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The CEO also looks underage, graduated last year after an internship with Microsoft. I can’t find any record of investment in the company or even any record of incorporation (to be fair I didn’t look very hard). The CEO and his whizz-kid AI coder may be the two smartest people on the planet - stranger things have happened - but statistically, and going by available data only, listening very much to a teenager (or thereabouts) hawking the skill of another teenager (confirmed) is a bit like watching two drunk kids in town thumping their chests.
For sure younger people will grow up to replace older people - such is the way of the world - and a salty coder is usually undertaken by fresh talent coming in with new skill sets (been on both sides of that), but right now, there’s nothing demanding attention here.
