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While you aren't wrong about human nature. I'd say you're wrong about systems. How would the same thing happen under an anarchist system? Or under an actual communist (not Marxist-Leninist) system? Which account for human nature and focus to use it against itself.
I'll answer. Because some people see these systems as "good" regardless of political affiliation and want them furthered and see any cost as worth it. If an anarchist / communist sees these systems in a positive light, then they will absolutely try and use them at scale. These people absolutely exist and you could find many examples of them on Lemmy. Try DB0.
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But he isn't speaking the truth. AI itself is a massive strain on the environment, without any true benefit. You are being fed hype and lies by con men. Data centers being built to supply AIs are using water and electricity at alarming rates, taking away the resources from actual people living nearby, and raising the cost of those utilities at the same time.
https://www.realtor.com/advice/finance/ai-data-centers-homeowner-electric-bills-link/
This is valid to all data centers serving all websites. Your take is a criticism of unregulated capitalism, not AI.
Beef farming is a far far far more impactful discussion, yet here we are.
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If you ever take a flight for holiday, or even drive long distance and cry about AI being bad for the environment then you're a hypocrite.
Same goes for if you eat beef, or having a really powerful gaming rig that you use a lot.
There are plenty of valid reasons AI is bad, but the argument for the environment seems weak, and most people using it are probably hypocrites. It's barely a drop in the bucket compared to other things
This echo chamber isn't ready for this logical discussion yet unfortunately lol
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If you ever take a flight for holiday, or even drive long distance and cry about AI being bad for the environment then you're a hypocrite.
Same goes for if you eat beef, or having a really powerful gaming rig that you use a lot.
There are plenty of valid reasons AI is bad, but the argument for the environment seems weak, and most people using it are probably hypocrites. It's barely a drop in the bucket compared to other things
Texas has just asked residents to take less showers while datacenters made specifically for LLM training continue operating.
This is more like feeling bad for not using a paper straw while local factory dumps all their oil change into the community river.
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Lots of pro AI astroturfing and whataboutisms in these comments...
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AI is bad and people who use it should feel bad.
Would love an explanation on how I'm in the wrong on reducing my work week from 40 hours to 15 using AI.
Existing in predatory capitalistic system and putting the blame on those who utilize available tools to reduce the predatory nature of our system is insane.
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I can run a small LLM locally which I can talk to using voice to turn certain lights on and off, set reminders for me, play music etc.
Neat trick, but it's not worth the headache of set up when you can do all that by getting off your chair and pushing buttons. Hell, you don't even have to get off your chair! A cellphone can do all that already, and you don't even need voice commands to do it.
Are you able to give any actual examples of a good use of an LLM?
Like it or not, that is an actual example.
I can lay in my bed and turn off the lights without touching my phone, or turn on certain muisic without touching my phone.
I could ask if I remembered to lock the front door etc.
But okay, I'll play your game, let's pretend that doesn't count.
I can use my local AI to draft documents or emails speeding up the process a lot.
Or I can used it to translate.
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AI is bad and people who use it should feel bad.
So cancer cell detection is now bad and those doing it should feel bad?
The world isn't black'n white.
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Like it or not, that is an actual example.
I can lay in my bed and turn off the lights without touching my phone, or turn on certain muisic without touching my phone.
I could ask if I remembered to lock the front door etc.
But okay, I'll play your game, let's pretend that doesn't count.
I can use my local AI to draft documents or emails speeding up the process a lot.
Or I can used it to translate.
If you want to live your life like that, go for that's your choice. But I don't think those applications are worth the cost of running an LLM. To be honest I find it frivolous.
I'm not against LLMs as a concept, but the way they get shoved into everything without thought and without an "AI" free option is absurd. There are good reasons why people have a knee-jerk anti-AI reaction, even if they can't articulate it themselves.
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synthophobes are easily manipulated
You could have taken a screenshot from Spielberg's A.I. Artificial Intelligence.
It's funny how much that movie got right. I don't think it was meant to be predictive. Many Lemmy users will probably think it is the greatest comedy ever made.
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If you want to live your life like that, go for that's your choice. But I don't think those applications are worth the cost of running an LLM. To be honest I find it frivolous.
I'm not against LLMs as a concept, but the way they get shoved into everything without thought and without an "AI" free option is absurd. There are good reasons why people have a knee-jerk anti-AI reaction, even if they can't articulate it themselves.
wrote last edited by [email protected]It's not expensive for me to run a local LLM, I just use the hardware I'm already using for gaming.
Electricity is cheap and most people with a gaming PC probably use more electricity gaming than they would running their own LLM and asking it some questions.I'm also against shoving AI in evening, and not making it Opt-In. I'm also worried about privacy and concentration of power etc.
But just outright saying LLMs are bad is rediculous.
And saying there is no good reason to use them is rediculous. Can we stop doing that.
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I personally think of AI as a tool, what matters is how you use it. I like to think of it like a hammer. You could use a hammer to build a house, or you could smash someone's skull in with it. But no one's putting the hammer in jail.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I see the today AI situation more as giving to everyone an helicopter. It improves mobility a lot, but not enough people really understand how it works and how to use it well.
It can save lives, it can solve problems, but give it to everyone without teaching them how to use it well and you'll get chaos.
And this brings along the fact that it consumes a lot of power.
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I think you are underestimating how adaptable humans are. We absolutely conform to the systems that govern us, and they are NOT equally likely to produce bad outcomes.
Every system eventually ends with someone corrupted with power and greed wanting more. Putin and his oligrachs, Trump and his oligarchs... Xi isn't great, but at least I haven't heard news about the Uyghurs situation for a couple of years now. Hope things are better there nowadays and people aren't going missing anymore just for speaking out against their government.
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Wrong.
The problem are humans, the same things that happen under capitalism can (and would) happen under any other system because humans are the ones who make these things happen or allow them to happen.Problems would exist in any system, but not the same problems. Each system has its set of problems and challenges. Just look at history, problems change. Of course you can find analogies between problems, but their nature changes with our systems.
Hunger, child mortality, pollution, having no free time, war, censorship, mass surveilence,... these are not constant through history. They happen more or less depending on the social systems in place, which vary constantly. -
So is eating meat, flying, gaming, going om holiday, basically if you exist you should feel bad
How does one feel bar?
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No hope commenting like this, just get ready getting downvoted with no reason. People use wrong terms and normalize it.
It's funny watching you AI bros climb over each other to be the first with a what about-ism.
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So cancer cell detection is now bad and those doing it should feel bad?
The world isn't black'n white.
Don't be obtuse, you walnut. I'm obviously not equating medical technology with 12-fingered anime girls and plagiarism.
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AI is bad and people who use it should feel bad.
You mean a subset of LLM that are trained on bad human behaviours
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as an aussie, yeah, then you should stop people from having guns
i honestly wouldn’t be surprised if the total number of gun deaths in australia since we banned guns (1996) was less than the number of gun deaths in the US THIS WEEK
the reason is irrelevant: the cause is obvious… and id have bought the “to stop a tyrannical government” argument a few years ago, but ffs there’s all the kids dying in school and none of the stop the tyrant, so maybe that’s a fucking awful argument and we have it right down under
I’ve never understood how a redneck prepper thinks he’s going to protect himself with a bunch of guns from a government that has millions of soldiers, tanks, machine guns, sidewinder misses and nuclear weapons.
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The algorithm is a bunch of math. It's not until someone wants to run it that it needs any energy.
No shit, chumly. How many times a second do you think that math is "run"?
