Is It Just Me?
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I think you’re onto something where a lot of this AI mess is going to have to be fixed by actual engineers. If folks blindly copied from stackoverflow without any understanding, they’re gonna have a bad time and that seems equivalent to what we’re seeing here.
I think the AI hate is overblown and I tend to treat it more like a search engine than something that actually does my work for me. With how bad Google has gotten, some of these models have been a blessing.
My hope is that the models remain useful, but the bubble of treating them like a competent engineer bursts.
Agreed. I'm with you it should be treated as a basic tool not something that is used to actually create things which, again in my current line of work, is what many places have done. It's a fantastic rubber duck. I use it myself for that purpose or even for tasks that I can't be bothered with like creating README markdowns or commit messages or even setting up flakes and nix shells and stuff like that, creating base project structures so YOU can do the actual work and don't have to waste time setting things up.
The hate can be overblown but I can see where it's coming from purely because many companies have not utilized it as a tool but instead thought of it as a replacement for an individual.
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Trying to compare the intelligence of a specialized, single purpose AI to an LLM is asinine, and shows you don't really know what you're talking about. Just like how it's asinine to equate a technology that pervades every facet of our lives, personal and professional, without our consent or control, to cars and guns.
So you've missed the point of what I was trying to say and proceeded to spout utter nonsense instead. Ok.
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Why does profit matter? . . . but I am generally in favor of research and development of any technology. In most research it's hard to predict the future applications.
Answered your own question there.
If we weren't hard wired to justify existence in capital there wouldn't be so much occlusive hype around it.
Can't argue with that. It is almost entirely a cash grab that is astonishing in its overreach and astounding in its apparent failure.
wrote last edited by [email protected]More profit does not equal more research and development, since there's an awful lot of development happening despite the lack of profit.
I won't speculate on the failure of the technology because I don't know what was supposed to be achieved on what timeline.
But I'll agree the industry is ripe with shit marketing and overselling/misrepresentating its current capabilities, because of capitalism.
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It's a tool being used by humans.
Nailed it.
It's not making anyone dumber or smarter.
Absolutely incorrect.
I'm so tired of this anti ai bullshit.
That's what OP says too, only the other way around.
Ai was used in the development of the COVID vaccine. It was crucial in its creation.
Machine Learning, or Data Science, is not what "anti-AI" is about. You can acknowledge that or keep being confused.
These are just tools they're as good and as bad as the people using them.
In a vacuum. We don't live in a vacuum. (no not the thing that you push around the house to clean the carpet. That's also a tool. And the vacuum industry didn't blow three hundred billion dollars on a vacuum concept that sort of works sometimes.)
So yes, it is just you and a select few smooth brains that can't see past their own bias.
Yeah they're so unfair to the ubiquitous tech companies that dominate their waking lives. I too support the unregulated billionaire's efforts to cram invasive broken technology into every aspect of culture and society. I mean the vacuum industry. Whatever, i'm too smart for thinking about it.
Ok you've clearly lost the plot.
Let's try again. You use the internet right? Well, the internet is used for crimes, it makes people dumber, ever watch any flat earth videos? You should boycott the internet so you're not part of it that way you can remain morally in the clear.
And you not liking commercial llms vs. Machine learning for scientific application only makes you a hypocrite.
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I see this sentiment a lot. No way "youre the only one."
I feel like im the only one. No one in my life uses it. My work is not eligible to have it implemented in anyway. This whole ai movement seems to be happening around me, and i have nothing more than new articles and memes that are telling me its happening. It serious doesnt impact me at all, and i wonder how others lives are crumbling
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So you've missed the point of what I was trying to say and proceeded to spout utter nonsense instead. Ok.
If I've missed the point, it's because you've not made it clear. Please point out what nonsense I've spouted.
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It is not though
AI in the context of late-stage capitalism and the beginnings of global ecological collapse is terrible for everyone except for the people who own it.
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Patience and nuance is a rare virtue in 2025
I'm not sure this is so much virtues becoming rarer as inconvenient demands emerging: a video that could have been an article is a problem of the modern age.
Articles can be read quickly & processed structurally by jumping around sections.
Videos, however, can be agonizing, because they resist that sort of processing.
Transcripts can alleviate the problem somewhat, but obfuscating them undoes that.
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People hate LLMs because they feel left behind
HAHAHAh! Wow.
Is that not true?
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The energy use is quite tiny
It literally is not. If you're talking about interacting with trained models, then sure but that's a different thing altogether. That's not what the energy use problem is.
Meh all of it is very unconvincing.
Maybe you haven't taken the time to read the articles. Or perhaps climate, ethics, and economic disaster don't mean very much to you. Which - maybe that's the case, but you also can't say they're not huge problems. You can say "i don't care" but that's different than "these facts aren't real."
wrote last edited by [email protected]Source? Because all datacenter and compute never even reached double digit percentages of our overal energy use. Thats including crypto currency too. To me thats not a serious number to start panicking yet, it's energy use as any other and we can totally handle it.
You seem to be missing the point that source of energy is what's creating the problem not the energy use itself. We'll never need less energy and to assume that the markets would ever just step back here is invredibly childish. You're gonna whine about every new invention that uses electricity now?
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facts tend to be unconvincing when you consider fantasies like "LLMs are being powered by green energy" a reality.
Why? Hiding datacenter energy use is much harder than anything else so it's much easier to regulate.
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LLM’s hallucination issue is not much worse than people hallucination issue.
Is this supposed to be comforting?
Yes if you have the skill to handle this.
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I think framing them as "fears" is dishonest.
What is it then? Imagine losing sleep over LLMs while living in a rich country stuffing yourself with pointless entertainment and fast food lol
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Why? Hiding datacenter energy use is much harder than anything else so it's much easier to regulate.
Hiding datacenter energy use is much harder than anything else
What? Humanity has been able to measure electricity usage since the 19th century. Why do you think we couldn't do it with tech based usage?
If I understand correctly, you are saying we can both confirm LLM datacenters are using green energy, despite there being no evidence of new green energy sources, and that we're unable to track what energy they use, despite humanities relatively long history of measuring electric usage.
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I'm not sure this is so much virtues becoming rarer as inconvenient demands emerging: a video that could have been an article is a problem of the modern age.
Articles can be read quickly & processed structurally by jumping around sections.
Videos, however, can be agonizing, because they resist that sort of processing.
Transcripts can alleviate the problem somewhat, but obfuscating them undoes that.
And we've got things to do.The video probably would have been an apprenticeship in the 1800s
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Hiding datacenter energy use is much harder than anything else
What? Humanity has been able to measure electricity usage since the 19th century. Why do you think we couldn't do it with tech based usage?
If I understand correctly, you are saying we can both confirm LLM datacenters are using green energy, despite there being no evidence of new green energy sources, and that we're unable to track what energy they use, despite humanities relatively long history of measuring electric usage.
Dont even know where to start educating you if you think we can just "measure electricity" like it's a single pipe under your sink
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Dont even know where to start educating you if you think we can just "measure electricity" like it's a single pipe under your sink
wrote last edited by [email protected]https://edisontechcenter.org/Meters.html
It's funny that you think you have the capacity to educate anyone when you're so blatantly misinformed.
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https://edisontechcenter.org/Meters.html
It's funny that you think you have the capacity to educate anyone when you're so blatantly misinformed.
Lmao the fact that you think all energy is metered electricity is just peak Dunning Kruger. Get blocked troll.
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Lmao the fact that you think all energy is metered electricity is just peak Dunning Kruger. Get blocked troll.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Ah so you think datacenters aren't metered. What an interesting existence you live in.
P.s: it's Krueger. Not kruger
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I don't know if there's data out there (yet) to support this, but I'm pretty sure constantly using AI rather than doing things yourself degrades your skills in the long run. It's like if you're not constantly using a language or practicing a skill, you get worse at it. The marginal effort that it might save you now will probably have a worse net effect in the long run.
It might just be like that social media fad from 10 years ago where everyone was doing it, and then research started popping up that it's actually really fucking terrible for your health.
wrote last edited by [email protected]One of my closest friends uses it for everything and it's becoming really hard to even have a normal conversation with them.
I remember hearing that about silicon valley tech bros years ago. They're so used to dealing with robots they kinda forget how to interact with humans. It's so weird. Not even that they're trying to be rude, but they've stopped using the communication skills that are necessary to have human to human interactions.
Like people seem to forget how you treat a back and forth conversation with a person vs how you treat it with a robot ready to be at your command and tell you the information you want to hear when you pull your phone out.
Then as long as you're done hearing what you wanted, the whole conversation is done. No need to listen to anything else or think that maybe you misunderstood something or were misinformed bc you already did the research with AI.
It's so frustrating. This is a normally very smart and caring person I've known for a long time, but I feel like I'm losing a part of them and it's being replaced with something that kinda disgusts me.
Then when I try to bring it up they get so defensive about it and go on the attack. It's really like dealing with somebody that has an addiction they can't acknowledge.