Teddybears - Punkrocker
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I'm not talking about name-calling. Go hog wild with that, it seems fairly effective.
I'm talking about dehumanizing them. Deciding that any means that will end them is justified. Treating them like feral animals. Harvesting their organs for profit, like outhouseperilous suggested further up. That's what I'm pushing back on.
While the organ harvesting is a bit much, you must realize how utterly asinine and inept being against violence is when the target is openly vile people who choose to betray humanity.
Yes, we must always keep context in that these people are bad because they CHOOSE to betray humanity, but remembering context is wholly different than deciding to go against proven means for defeating this hateful, anti-humanity ideology...
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There were. There aren't anymore
Example: Jordan Peterson.
There are many others.
Don't underestimate your enemy my friend. Just because the ones in the foreground are low IQ screaming idiots doesn't mean the quiet ones behind the curtains are low IQ too.
It's not about intellect per se. It's about empathy. Take a sociopath for example. They can be highly intellectual but their goal will justify any means because they lack any form of it.
I'm not saying intellect has nothing to do with the rise of fascism, because fascists are very good at manipulating low IQ people with disinformation. These low IQ people, the heard, won't see the harm they do because that would drive their support away so it's all being hidden and twisted.
But the core of the rise of fascism is definitely planned by intellectual people and you should not underestimate that.
Don't just look at the skinheads on the street. Look at the people funding fascist tyrants.
Again, not a distinction im making or care about. This is not meaningful to me Who are you arguing with? Is this just action for the sake of action on your part?
We were talking about dehumanizing people, weren't we?
jordan peterson
No, you said intellectuals. He's exactly what i described. Please read what i wrote before replying.
there are many others
You couldn't name one.
IQ
Clown shit
empathy
I have explored that system, stared into that abyss. Im aware of how it works, and it is not, in the ways that matter to me; a person. I can get my ass kicked by the computer in a 30 year old video game. Doesn't make it a person.
planned by intellectuals
Even uf you stretched the definition to inclhde ghouls like gingrich and bannon; they're not entirely welcome in those spaces anymore
funders
Yeah they're rich; not smart. Different. Arguably exclusive.
we were talking about
Scroll up.
talking like jordan peterson all day
So....
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How I really feel is that because of people like you, and every other culture war weirdo, is why we have Trump in the first place. You all got the America you deserve. Just a shame its other people paying the price for it. But Im sure you'll be OK, youve got your worthless internet points...
Americans not understanding other countries exist, an exhibit:
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There were. There aren't anymore
Example: Jordan Peterson.
There are many others.
Don't underestimate your enemy my friend. Just because the ones in the foreground are low IQ screaming idiots doesn't mean the quiet ones behind the curtains are low IQ too.
It's not about intellect per se. It's about empathy. Take a sociopath for example. They can be highly intellectual but their goal will justify any means because they lack any form of it.
I'm not saying intellect has nothing to do with the rise of fascism, because fascists are very good at manipulating low IQ people with disinformation. These low IQ people, the heard, won't see the harm they do because that would drive their support away so it's all being hidden and twisted.
But the core of the rise of fascism is definitely planned by intellectual people and you should not underestimate that.
Don't just look at the skinheads on the street. Look at the people funding fascist tyrants.
Again, not a distinction im making or care about. This is not meaningful to me Who are you arguing with? Is this just action for the sake of action on your part?
We were talking about dehumanizing people, weren't we?
...im being kind of an ass now that you are sort of engaging. Sorry about that. Spoiled by the previous bits of the discussion.
But i think there's another element to this that you're missing: why does a person start becoming a fascist? Whats the value, internally and discursively, of various models?
Here's some facts that might seem disconnected. Follow along. Promise it's going somewhere.
Studies show; brains prone to authorotarian psychology tend to have a much stronger disgust response.
It tends to flow from someone who is absolutely not special in any positive way feeling a need to see themselves as special/heroic/virtuous.
It comes in part from a need to have a prestigious identity while being individually kind of a piece of shit. From needing to see one's self as good but finding no good in one's self beyond membership in a group that can be collectively valorized (however dishonestly; the imperative matters, truth does not).
Erasing any potentially positive identity a potential fascist could subsume itself into, driving home that its something you would have your day ruined if ypu stepped in, and pointing how how it's pitiful disgusting and weak, could potentially save lives. There would still be structural issues to address, of course, but right now we have an immediate problem to solve.
It might even have some preventative value to find people showing early symptoms, when they may still be people, and pinning them down, spraying them with antifungal 'antifascist' drugs, via the placebo effect.
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Americans not understanding other countries exist, an exhibit:
Im Scottish...
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I guess your blind too, since Ive already answered that question multiple times. You must be the most simple of all the culture war weirdos.
Oh ok, then can you link that comment for me where you answer the question? Thx
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While the organ harvesting is a bit much, you must realize how utterly asinine and inept being against violence is when the target is openly vile people who choose to betray humanity.
Yes, we must always keep context in that these people are bad because they CHOOSE to betray humanity, but remembering context is wholly different than deciding to go against proven means for defeating this hateful, anti-humanity ideology...
Who's arguing against violence? I'm saying don't dehumanize them. Humans are quite capable of being monstrous and horrible all on their own.
Absolutely fight back against the fascists! My grandad did, and I think he's a fine example to follow. He didn't have to treat them as something other than people to do that, though. He just treated them as the enemy they were.
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Who's arguing against violence? I'm saying don't dehumanize them. Humans are quite capable of being monstrous and horrible all on their own.
Absolutely fight back against the fascists! My grandad did, and I think he's a fine example to follow. He didn't have to treat them as something other than people to do that, though. He just treated them as the enemy they were.
If treating someone as an enemy isn't dehumnaizing, I don't know what is. What you need to realize is, some people betray their title of human, and deserve zero humanity, because they have betrayed the very humnaity you want to preserve.
Yes, they're still humans: The specific animal capable of the worst behaviors imaginable. Some humans do not deserve humanity when they so willingly betray it.
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If treating someone as an enemy isn't dehumnaizing, I don't know what is. What you need to realize is, some people betray their title of human, and deserve zero humanity, because they have betrayed the very humnaity you want to preserve.
Yes, they're still humans: The specific animal capable of the worst behaviors imaginable. Some humans do not deserve humanity when they so willingly betray it.
Okay, that's the disconnect - you do not need to dehumanize someone to consider them an enemy. Police and militaries often do so, because it makes people easier to shoot; but it is not necessary. And the cognitive dissonance of dehumanizing their targets leads to a lot of the issues soldiers face later on. (And oh, hey - look who's become rife with fascists!)
Fascism absolutely needs stopped. It and the people supporting it are an existential threat. But the way that fascism starts out is by treating some people as less than human, as something other. And if you have to make an enemy a nonperson to beat them, then the groundwork is already laid for fascism to return with the next generation - after all, you've just shown dehumanizing people can get the results you need, right? Why not make a habit of it?
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Okay, that's the disconnect - you do not need to dehumanize someone to consider them an enemy. Police and militaries often do so, because it makes people easier to shoot; but it is not necessary. And the cognitive dissonance of dehumanizing their targets leads to a lot of the issues soldiers face later on. (And oh, hey - look who's become rife with fascists!)
Fascism absolutely needs stopped. It and the people supporting it are an existential threat. But the way that fascism starts out is by treating some people as less than human, as something other. And if you have to make an enemy a nonperson to beat them, then the groundwork is already laid for fascism to return with the next generation - after all, you've just shown dehumanizing people can get the results you need, right? Why not make a habit of it?
Right. No one should make a habbit of doing it. Though when a motherfucker casts away thsir own humanity, only a fool insists in trying to reestablish it before defeating them.