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Would you trust an open source software maintained by a developer who you disagree with politically (or otherwise don't like the developer)?

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  • quill7513@slrpnk.netQ [email protected]

    i'm so excited about the progress piefed is making and my home instance's plans to migrate

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    Wait. How similar is piefed to Lemmy? Does Voyager work with it?

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      Wait. How similar is piefed to Lemmy? Does Voyager work with it?

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      extremely similar with some serious quality of life improvements and better dev leadership. the api, per my understanding, is similar to lemmy, but not wholly compatible. voyager, i do not think, does not support piefed currently (i will need to switch apps)

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        "Trust" as in: trust it enough to run it on your machine.

        (And assuming that you can't understand code yourself)

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        Yes, since not liking or disagreeing with someone isn't the same thing as likelihood they are pushing malicious code. If something is open source that's a really good sign, because they could also push closed source code and be more likely to get away with it that way. More points if it clearly has other eyes on it; even if I am not checking over the code myself, someone probably is for a lot of projects.

        It's like "separate art from artist" except even more so because software tends to be even more quantifiable as its own independent thing than art is.

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          "Trust" as in: trust it enough to run it on your machine.

          (And assuming that you can't understand code yourself)

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          Who's out here trying to figure out the political or other beliefs of developers? I've got around 50 docker containers running on my server, there's no way I'm going through people's profiles to see if they're morally aligned with me.

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          • witchfire@lemmy.worldW [email protected]

            No. If I disagree with someone politically it's likely because they want me and anyone like me dead. Those people are dead to me.

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            I'm pretty sure we'll disagree politically on many issues but I don't want you or anyone like you dead. I hope people in the US will stop viewing politics as cults and start to communicate with people disagreeing with them.

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              I'm pretty sure we'll disagree politically on many issues but I don't want you or anyone like you dead. I hope people in the US will stop viewing politics as cults and start to communicate with people disagreeing with them.

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              For the first 40+ years of my life, sure. For the past 10...we are suffering from a cult.

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                "Trust" as in: trust it enough to run it on your machine.

                (And assuming that you can't understand code yourself)

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                I trust the Lemmy developers enough to use their platform hosted on external servers despite them being Marxist clowns, but I wouldn't self host without a thorough code review.

                And I'm seriously just waiting for a decent piefed app in order to ditch the platform altogether. So far voyager is the most functionally complete one, but doesn't look very appealing.

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                  "Trust" as in: trust it enough to run it on your machine.

                  (And assuming that you can't understand code yourself)

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                  no.

                  IMO conservatives are untrustworthy and can't identify fact from fiction.

                  would you run software from a dev who has a problem discerning reality? do you think a schizophrenic person writes stable maintainable code?

                  mental health is an important part of gaining trust in your product. ironic that they continue to trust and support a geriatric nazi-wannabe, but goes to show how compromised conservatives are when it comes to their decision making skills.

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                    "Trust" as in: trust it enough to run it on your machine.

                    (And assuming that you can't understand code yourself)

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                    if it is open source and sources I trust approve of it, sure

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                      "Trust" as in: trust it enough to run it on your machine.

                      (And assuming that you can't understand code yourself)

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                      it depends entirely on the context, what the software is, alternatives... etc

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                        I'm pretty sure we'll disagree politically on many issues but I don't want you or anyone like you dead. I hope people in the US will stop viewing politics as cults and start to communicate with people disagreeing with them.

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                        Do you support trans rights? Do you support immigration? Do you support the demilitarization of police and complete restructuring of the current US "justice" system? Do you know why credit scores exist? Do you support using taxes to provide for our most vulnerable? Do you know what diversity, equity, and inclusion are?

                        If you said no to any of those, then I doubt we share common ground

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                          His website has some wild ranting about codeberg too. I've been tempted to stop using jdupes.

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                          As have I... But it's so dang handy. From what I know there is no alternative that is quite as good

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                          • rikudou@lemmings.worldR [email protected]

                            Well, its importance is IMO overblown. MFA as it's usually implemented:

                            • sms
                            • email
                            • TOTP

                            Sms and email are not really secure and TOTP is basically just a second password except you don't use it directly, but use numbers derived from the password.

                            The more secure alternatives (hardware keys) are really uncommon even among tech people, let alone the general population.

                            Not saying I think it's useless, I use MFA everywhere (because two passwords are better than one) but all in all it's much less secure than people assume.

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                            Granted the forms of mfa available without a hardware key are far from perfect. But they are better then no extra authentication method.

                            A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week

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                            • rikudou@lemmings.worldR [email protected]

                              It's not, it's a term that means very specific things. Most people don't even know that, but both free software and open source are not some catch all phrases. And in fact they don't even mean the same thing.

                              You can for example have an open source software that's not free software. The reverse is harder, but IIRC I've seen some license that would qualify (it's been years, maybe I'm misremembering cause I can't find it anymore).

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                              ^ yet another victim of this scam. They don't even know and they're trying to teach us. lmao

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                                "Trust" as in: trust it enough to run it on your machine.

                                (And assuming that you can't understand code yourself)

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                                I mean... I used reiserFS for years and that guy killed his wife, I'm not too keen on that.

                                I guess its fine as long as its not actively malicious code, its not like I'm letting them into my brain.

                                On that though, I find it unlikely someone who differs from me politically would have the same priorities, and as such their projects are much less likely to show up on my radar.

                                Edit: spelling correction, Autocorrupt, ykwim?

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                                  "Trust" as in: trust it enough to run it on your machine.

                                  (And assuming that you can't understand code yourself)

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                                  If there's no alternative that has the feature set that software has, the alternatives are ultimately worse, and/or I cannot find a fork from another less egregious dev, then it's like I'd have any other choice if I need the software. If I don't need the software, good chance I might just stop using it and just uninstall.

                                  It's why back when I heard that the people in charge of Audacity, back a few years ago, had potential plans on adding telemetry, I stopped using it all together. Of course I kinda moved back because, as far as I know, all the forks are basically dead and the team went back on those plans due to community uproar. Now I just keep it unable to connect via firewall to be safe.

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                                  • witchfire@lemmy.worldW [email protected]

                                    Do you support trans rights? Do you support immigration? Do you support the demilitarization of police and complete restructuring of the current US "justice" system? Do you know why credit scores exist? Do you support using taxes to provide for our most vulnerable? Do you know what diversity, equity, and inclusion are?

                                    If you said no to any of those, then I doubt we share common ground

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                                    I doubt many people outside the US have any clue about whether the US justice system needs to be restructured, so there goes ~95% of the global population.

                                    Excluding people from discussions because they don't agree with 'one' point is setting yourself up for failure.
                                    You aren't winning anyone over with an all-or-nothing attitude, you're cutting off many potential allies.

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                                      "Trust" as in: trust it enough to run it on your machine.

                                      (And assuming that you can't understand code yourself)

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                                      Only if they specifically seem fascist, because that's the one political group that likes to know everything you do and censor any dissenting opinion.

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                                        Wait. How similar is piefed to Lemmy? Does Voyager work with it?

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                                        Voyager has “experimental “ support for piefed. I do believe they are working on expanding on that.

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                                          He lied about stopping use of GrapheneOS. He can be seen in videos long after still using GrapheneOS on his Pixel. Also, the reasons he stated for not using/trusting it were nonsense. There was not, and is not, a technical way to target a user with malicious OTA updates.

                                          He was also one of 3 owners of a for-profit telecom that included Nick Merrill (Founder of Calyx). https://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/2009536/000200953624000001/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml is the SEC filing for shares issued in February 2024 .

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                                          I don't see how any of this is an excuse to what has been said in the chats. Micay also lied about stepping down from GOS.

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