Posting for the "Now guys he was MURDERED! Don't celebrate!" Crowd
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Your "cool story bro" response is exactly the kind of thinking that creates space for demagogues to thrive. When someone offers strategic analysis about why celebrating political violence backfires, and you respond with a thought-terminating cliché, you're demonstrating the same anti-intellectual reflex that makes populations vulnerable to manipulation.
Think about what made Charlie Kirk successful: he offered simple, emotionally satisfying answers to complex problems. "Your problems aren't from complicated economic systems, it's those people over there." His audience loved him because he never asked them to think harder than a bumper sticker.
And here you are, faced with someone explaining why emotional satisfaction isn't political victory, why martyrdom empowers the very ideas we need to defeat... and your response is a meme. You're operating at exactly the level of discourse that Kirk counted on: where snark replaces strategy, where being dismissive feels like being strong, where "cool story bro" seems like a clever response to warnings about tactical disaster.
The movements that win understand complexity. The movements that lose mistake attitude for analysis. When you brush off strategic thinking with internet catchphrases, you're not fighting against the Charlie Kirks of the world. You're proving that their reduction of politics to tribal reflexes and emotional reactions was right all along.
The system that produces Charlie Kirks depends on people refusing to think beyond the satisfaction of the dunk, the own, the sick burn. Your dismissal isn't rebellion; it's compliance with the exact intellectual laziness that powerful interests count on to keep populations manageable and movements ineffective.
I said good story, because it reads a lot like you trying to convince yourself. I'm also very tired of hearing essentially "protest the right way" whenever anyone actually does something to improve the country.
Youll probably type out 8 more paragraphs of nonsense amounting to you being too afraid to admit when a bad thing results in good things.
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I said good story, because it reads a lot like you trying to convince yourself. I'm also very tired of hearing essentially "protest the right way" whenever anyone actually does something to improve the country.
Youll probably type out 8 more paragraphs of nonsense amounting to you being too afraid to admit when a bad thing results in good things.
Instead of telling me how I feel, name a single "good thing" that has resulted.
Kirk's organization is stronger, his ideas are martyred, his followers are more radicalized. You tell me I am afraid, but I am observing reality; historical and present.
Show me the improvement, because all I see is fascists getting exactly what they want.
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Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
No really, if he was a nicer guy this probably wouldn't have happened.
"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure" - Clarence Darrow
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He had shitty opinions, we know. I won't follow them. I will have empathy and I will not celebrate his death. Still, I think the world's population improved with one less hateful person around.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The more we normalize assassinations, the worse the world becomes. America is slightly more fucked today, not because this guy died, but because extrajudicial assassinations are not cool. This only accelerates the collapse of american society and rule of law.
Some tankies/accelerationists want this, but they are mostly clueless kids.
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I'd like to ask a general question that I'm not entirely sure I can give enough context for.
When did we as a society start listening so intently to what amounts to barely more than children? This Kirk guy looked chromosomal on top of being barely out of high school, how and why do so many people listen to him?
Half a century ago thought leaders were people like Isaac Asimov or Carl Sagan or Gwynne Dyer or Roy Bonisteel or any number of scholarly people over a certain age.
When did we start caring about high schooler's opinions on a national level?
This same phenomenon is how Trump rose to power. A lot of Americans are dumb AF and traditional politicians sound "fancy" and condescending when they speak, making them notice their own stupidity right in the feels. People like CK and 47 talk at their level and make them feel good about themselves, their regressive ignorant hatred of "libruls", and so on. It's Idiocracy in real life.
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This same phenomenon is how Trump rose to power. A lot of Americans are dumb AF and traditional politicians sound "fancy" and condescending when they speak, making them notice their own stupidity right in the feels. People like CK and 47 talk at their level and make them feel good about themselves, their regressive ignorant hatred of "libruls", and so on. It's Idiocracy in real life.
I don't know, I just regret not arranging my finances earlier so I can get the fuck out of the city, not have to work, and live as far as possible from people.
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Instead of telling me how I feel, name a single "good thing" that has resulted.
Kirk's organization is stronger, his ideas are martyred, his followers are more radicalized. You tell me I am afraid, but I am observing reality; historical and present.
Show me the improvement, because all I see is fascists getting exactly what they want.
Show me the improvement, because all I see is fascists getting exactly what they want.
They were getting that anyway.
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The more we normalize assassinations, the worse the world becomes. America is slightly more fucked today, not because this guy died, but because extrajudicial assassinations are not cool. This only accelerates the collapse of american society and rule of law.
Some tankies/accelerationists want this, but they are mostly clueless kids.
Just to add, assassinations are not cool whether they're extrajudicial or not.
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Civil war isn’t the only option. If you folks stopped looking left and right and started looking up and down you could move right to revolution.
And if wishes were fishes there would be no room in the ocean for water.
You aren't wrong, but "could" is doing some heavy lifting.
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If I'm wrong about something let me know instead of throwing out insults. No one knows everything.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You already showed an arrogance and argumentativeness directed at a news source which is far more trustworthy than 99% of those that exist. I'm not arguing with yet another "perfect is the absolute enemy of good" types. You already told me what you believe about PBS and I'm not exerting further mental energy to try and change that. Be wrong, I don't care.
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I watched PBS news tonight as well, and what AndiHutch said was pretty much right on.
Then that would be out of character for the network. No group of people is perfect. Which is seemingly what a lot of lemmings expect. They will always be disappointed.
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I can't help to think Kirk was being insincere and pandering in this quote. He was just responding to what Clinton was saying
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I thought there were no good Nazis, but he just proved me wrong.
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And if wishes were fishes there would be no room in the ocean for water.
You aren't wrong, but "could" is doing some heavy lifting.
I hear you. I was really hoping that violating children would have been the bridge too far—but so far those in power are holding on. It grieves me to wonder what more it would take.
As somebody with a lot of empathy for those in need it angers and frustrates me that the sentiment is not universal and that more is not being done.
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Instead of telling me how I feel, name a single "good thing" that has resulted.
Kirk's organization is stronger, his ideas are martyred, his followers are more radicalized. You tell me I am afraid, but I am observing reality; historical and present.
Show me the improvement, because all I see is fascists getting exactly what they want.
You are the one who made a point, so you maybe should defend that instead? If this action has caused nothing but harm, prove it.
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I keep seeing this photo of Charlie Kirk and I keep thinking "There's no way that's Charlie Kirk".
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I thought there were no good Nazis, but he just proved me wrong.
Oscar Schindler.
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I keep reading people complaining about how people are taking these quotes out of context.
So went to the source, and I see them in context.They are actually worse in context.
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lol no. You're just fucking stupid if you think self defense is equivalent to wanting to punch strangers...
Self defence =/= assassinating people you dont agree with.
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Nazism is a form of fascism, identifying ethnic Germans as part of what the Nazis regarded as a Nordic Aryan master race.
Lots of ethnic Germanic folks in Israel, to be sure. Yes, this is sarcasm.
It's funny to compare the definitions of nazism in English versus Swedish though. It would appear that English speaking really want to shift what nazi means, rather than have zionism be its own term with similar meaning.
Direct translation from the Swedish version
Nazism is part of fascist ideologi. It made the claim that certain races of human had greater value than others. The "Aryan race" and the Germanic peoples were seen as the highest in the racial hierarchy. The "enemy race" were the so-called untermenschen (subhumans), who were often called "the masses from the East", which mainly included Jews, Slavs, Poles and Roma, but also the disabled and homosexuals. [
It would be like calling the Japanese during world war 2 nazis. It's just silly.
It would appear that English speaking really want to shift what nazi means, rather than have zionism be its own term with similar meaning.
It would appear that you really want to shift the conversation to the exact definition of the word "Nazi", rather than have people talk about facists and the problems there of.
