Posting for the "Now guys he was MURDERED! Don't celebrate!" Crowd
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If I'm wrong about something let me know instead of throwing out insults. No one knows everything.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You already showed an arrogance and argumentativeness directed at a news source which is far more trustworthy than 99% of those that exist. I'm not arguing with yet another "perfect is the absolute enemy of good" types. You already told me what you believe about PBS and I'm not exerting further mental energy to try and change that. Be wrong, I don't care.
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I watched PBS news tonight as well, and what AndiHutch said was pretty much right on.
Then that would be out of character for the network. No group of people is perfect. Which is seemingly what a lot of lemmings expect. They will always be disappointed.
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I can't help to think Kirk was being insincere and pandering in this quote. He was just responding to what Clinton was saying
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I thought there were no good Nazis, but he just proved me wrong.
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And if wishes were fishes there would be no room in the ocean for water.
You aren't wrong, but "could" is doing some heavy lifting.
I hear you. I was really hoping that violating children would have been the bridge too far—but so far those in power are holding on. It grieves me to wonder what more it would take.
As somebody with a lot of empathy for those in need it angers and frustrates me that the sentiment is not universal and that more is not being done.
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Instead of telling me how I feel, name a single "good thing" that has resulted.
Kirk's organization is stronger, his ideas are martyred, his followers are more radicalized. You tell me I am afraid, but I am observing reality; historical and present.
Show me the improvement, because all I see is fascists getting exactly what they want.
You are the one who made a point, so you maybe should defend that instead? If this action has caused nothing but harm, prove it.
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I keep seeing this photo of Charlie Kirk and I keep thinking "There's no way that's Charlie Kirk".
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I thought there were no good Nazis, but he just proved me wrong.
Oscar Schindler.
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I keep reading people complaining about how people are taking these quotes out of context.
So went to the source, and I see them in context.They are actually worse in context.
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lol no. You're just fucking stupid if you think self defense is equivalent to wanting to punch strangers...
Self defence =/= assassinating people you dont agree with.
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Nazism is a form of fascism, identifying ethnic Germans as part of what the Nazis regarded as a Nordic Aryan master race.
Lots of ethnic Germanic folks in Israel, to be sure. Yes, this is sarcasm.
It's funny to compare the definitions of nazism in English versus Swedish though. It would appear that English speaking really want to shift what nazi means, rather than have zionism be its own term with similar meaning.
Direct translation from the Swedish version
Nazism is part of fascist ideologi. It made the claim that certain races of human had greater value than others. The "Aryan race" and the Germanic peoples were seen as the highest in the racial hierarchy. The "enemy race" were the so-called untermenschen (subhumans), who were often called "the masses from the East", which mainly included Jews, Slavs, Poles and Roma, but also the disabled and homosexuals. [
It would be like calling the Japanese during world war 2 nazis. It's just silly.
It would appear that English speaking really want to shift what nazi means, rather than have zionism be its own term with similar meaning.
It would appear that you really want to shift the conversation to the exact definition of the word "Nazi", rather than have people talk about facists and the problems there of.
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We have a MAGA dictatorship with a corrupt government being led by a literal sex offender, felon, and pedophile. This guy getting shot wasn't murder, it was a heroic attack made in self defense of our nation.
Our nation has failed itself by letting Trump fucking win.
This assassination just makes it more likely I get dragged into violent civil conflict. One that could have been avoided had every anti-trump individual had fucking voted against him winning and they didn't.
Kirk was a piece of shit but I wont be the accelerationist's pawn. This all could have been avoided and I deeply resent that it wasn't.
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My dad was team horse de-wormer back in covid. Don't talk to him much.
Mom now says the he was a christian and he did everything right.
Guess sometimes parents can suck too
Is water a horse thirst quencher?
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It would appear that English speaking really want to shift what nazi means, rather than have zionism be its own term with similar meaning.
It would appear that you really want to shift the conversation to the exact definition of the word "Nazi", rather than have people talk about facists and the problems there of.
Zionists are fascist, but they aren't nazis. Hope we cleared that up for you.
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Here’s the frustration and why this should not be celebrated:
Charlie Kirk spent years dehumanizing people, making lives measurably worse, and profiting from hatred. The cosmic irony of him being shot while calling trans people dangerous and minimizing gun violence feels like the universe delivering a punchline he wrote himself. There’s a cathartic release in seeing someone who seemed untouchable suddenly silenced by the very violence he dismissed.
But that catharsis is blinding, vile, and destructive. Every celebration post, every "rest in piss" meme, every "fucked around and found out" joke is already being screenshot and weaponized. The worst people imaginable, those eager to exploit violence, are being handed exactly what they want: supposed proof that “they were right,” justification for crackdowns, and, most dangerously, a martyr whose blood sanctifies every awful thing he stood for.
Celebration may feel like a dunk on fascism, but in reality it accelerates it. It may feel like strength, but it exposes a movement so strategically bankrupt that it mistakes emotional satisfaction for political victory. Kirk alive was one influencer among many; Kirk dead is a rallying cry that will outlive us all.
The rage at what he represented is justified. But celebrating his death guarantees those very ideas will flourish. American democracy is dying, and a gravedigger falling into the hole is no victory when it only deepens the grave.
His ideas needed to be defeated. Instead, they’ve been immortalized.
I am happy to read at least one sane voice amongst the sea of people who don't understand that we are doing exactly what they are accusing us of doing by celebrating his death. I honestly am taken aback by the amount of people who think this is good.
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As are you, right now.
If you can't tell the difference between someone who says "empathy is bad and no one should have it" and someone who says "I don't have empathy for this specific person due to their specific actions" then you should not be trying to argue nuance of definitions with anyone.
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If you can't tell the difference between someone who says "empathy is bad and no one should have it" and someone who says "I don't have empathy for this specific person due to their specific actions" then you should not be trying to argue nuance of definitions with anyone.
wrote last edited by [email protected]There's clearly a difference - nowhere did I claim otherwise - and neither of those statements are good!
In fact, the list of things I did not claim is endless. Hopefully that does not mean you think I'm not allowed to state arguments I do want to state:
Empathy for the people who are alike is easy, there's even a specific word for it, parochial empathy. It's empathy for people who are unlike that's hard, but necessary!
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The problem with this is that it will be used to increase violence against non-white cis males.
im willing to bet the shooter was a white cis man though
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I wonder if we will get a new wave of users as reddit has another ban wave for people laughing at this cunts neck exploding.
dont insult vaginas like that. this guy doesnt have the depth or warmth
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You already showed an arrogance and argumentativeness directed at a news source which is far more trustworthy than 99% of those that exist. I'm not arguing with yet another "perfect is the absolute enemy of good" types. You already told me what you believe about PBS and I'm not exerting further mental energy to try and change that. Be wrong, I don't care.
I get that people only have a limited energy to engage with people they don't know as our time is limited. Having said that I don't believe I am wrong, since you've not even attempted to engage with what I said, and have instead chosen insults. If you do decide to care in the future, I would be open to conversing.
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I don't hate PBS and I don't want to hurt your feelings or spread bad ideas. I simply have the media literacy to understand that PBS is politically biased towards a corporate US ideology that is not above spreading propaganda to mislead viewers. As I said before, I do think it is better run than most broadcast stations, but I am still critical of it's choices, since it is bad practice to blindly trust even 'good' new sources without being aware of their bias.
