Posting for the "Now guys he was MURDERED! Don't celebrate!" Crowd
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Nazism is a form of fascism, identifying ethnic Germans as part of what the Nazis regarded as a Nordic Aryan master race.
Lots of ethnic Germanic folks in Israel, to be sure. Yes, this is sarcasm.
It's funny to compare the definitions of nazism in English versus Swedish though. It would appear that English speaking really want to shift what nazi means, rather than have zionism be its own term with similar meaning.
Direct translation from the Swedish version
Nazism is part of fascist ideologi. It made the claim that certain races of human had greater value than others. The "Aryan race" and the Germanic peoples were seen as the highest in the racial hierarchy. The "enemy race" were the so-called untermenschen (subhumans), who were often called "the masses from the East", which mainly included Jews, Slavs, Poles and Roma, but also the disabled and homosexuals. [
It would be like calling the Japanese during world war 2 nazis. It's just silly.
It would appear that English speaking really want to shift what nazi means, rather than have zionism be its own term with similar meaning.
It would appear that you really want to shift the conversation to the exact definition of the word "Nazi", rather than have people talk about facists and the problems there of.
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We have a MAGA dictatorship with a corrupt government being led by a literal sex offender, felon, and pedophile. This guy getting shot wasn't murder, it was a heroic attack made in self defense of our nation.
Our nation has failed itself by letting Trump fucking win.
This assassination just makes it more likely I get dragged into violent civil conflict. One that could have been avoided had every anti-trump individual had fucking voted against him winning and they didn't.
Kirk was a piece of shit but I wont be the accelerationist's pawn. This all could have been avoided and I deeply resent that it wasn't.
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My dad was team horse de-wormer back in covid. Don't talk to him much.
Mom now says the he was a christian and he did everything right.
Guess sometimes parents can suck too
Is water a horse thirst quencher?
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It would appear that English speaking really want to shift what nazi means, rather than have zionism be its own term with similar meaning.
It would appear that you really want to shift the conversation to the exact definition of the word "Nazi", rather than have people talk about facists and the problems there of.
Zionists are fascist, but they aren't nazis. Hope we cleared that up for you.
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Here’s the frustration and why this should not be celebrated:
Charlie Kirk spent years dehumanizing people, making lives measurably worse, and profiting from hatred. The cosmic irony of him being shot while calling trans people dangerous and minimizing gun violence feels like the universe delivering a punchline he wrote himself. There’s a cathartic release in seeing someone who seemed untouchable suddenly silenced by the very violence he dismissed.
But that catharsis is blinding, vile, and destructive. Every celebration post, every "rest in piss" meme, every "fucked around and found out" joke is already being screenshot and weaponized. The worst people imaginable, those eager to exploit violence, are being handed exactly what they want: supposed proof that “they were right,” justification for crackdowns, and, most dangerously, a martyr whose blood sanctifies every awful thing he stood for.
Celebration may feel like a dunk on fascism, but in reality it accelerates it. It may feel like strength, but it exposes a movement so strategically bankrupt that it mistakes emotional satisfaction for political victory. Kirk alive was one influencer among many; Kirk dead is a rallying cry that will outlive us all.
The rage at what he represented is justified. But celebrating his death guarantees those very ideas will flourish. American democracy is dying, and a gravedigger falling into the hole is no victory when it only deepens the grave.
His ideas needed to be defeated. Instead, they’ve been immortalized.
I am happy to read at least one sane voice amongst the sea of people who don't understand that we are doing exactly what they are accusing us of doing by celebrating his death. I honestly am taken aback by the amount of people who think this is good.
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As are you, right now.
If you can't tell the difference between someone who says "empathy is bad and no one should have it" and someone who says "I don't have empathy for this specific person due to their specific actions" then you should not be trying to argue nuance of definitions with anyone.
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If you can't tell the difference between someone who says "empathy is bad and no one should have it" and someone who says "I don't have empathy for this specific person due to their specific actions" then you should not be trying to argue nuance of definitions with anyone.
wrote last edited by [email protected]There's clearly a difference - nowhere did I claim otherwise - and neither of those statements are good!
In fact, the list of things I did not claim is endless. Hopefully that does not mean you think I'm not allowed to state arguments I do want to state:
Empathy for the people who are alike is easy, there's even a specific word for it, parochial empathy. It's empathy for people who are unlike that's hard, but necessary!
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The problem with this is that it will be used to increase violence against non-white cis males.
im willing to bet the shooter was a white cis man though
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I wonder if we will get a new wave of users as reddit has another ban wave for people laughing at this cunts neck exploding.
dont insult vaginas like that. this guy doesnt have the depth or warmth
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You already showed an arrogance and argumentativeness directed at a news source which is far more trustworthy than 99% of those that exist. I'm not arguing with yet another "perfect is the absolute enemy of good" types. You already told me what you believe about PBS and I'm not exerting further mental energy to try and change that. Be wrong, I don't care.
I get that people only have a limited energy to engage with people they don't know as our time is limited. Having said that I don't believe I am wrong, since you've not even attempted to engage with what I said, and have instead chosen insults. If you do decide to care in the future, I would be open to conversing.
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I don't hate PBS and I don't want to hurt your feelings or spread bad ideas. I simply have the media literacy to understand that PBS is politically biased towards a corporate US ideology that is not above spreading propaganda to mislead viewers. As I said before, I do think it is better run than most broadcast stations, but I am still critical of it's choices, since it is bad practice to blindly trust even 'good' new sources without being aware of their bias. -
It appears you do not want to know more.
I get the slightly-downvoted state I found this comment in, but I thought it was a perfect reference.
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Ohhh! I love Starship Troopers! The book, not so much, but the movie I adore.
Let's dig into your choice to respond with this scene.
That's the moment where Verhoeven shows us 'Federation Victory'! The good guys have won! They've captured the Brain Bug! It's afraid! Humanity wins!
Except what's actually happening is fascists celebrating the torture of a sentient being. One that extracted human minds just as they'll now extract from its mind; each side justifying their horrors by pointing to the other's. All while convincing themselves they're heroes.
The Federation doesn't attempt communication or diplomacy. They literally probe its brain for intel while cheering its terror. The troops cheering 'It's afraid!' aren't the good guys. They're Verhoeven's mirror showing us how righteousness becomes the very tyranny it claims to fight.
NPH's character literally becomes a full SS-uniformed intelligence officer who feeds his best friends into an endless meat grinder. The bugs were defending their home. The Federation manufactured its own eternal enemy. And everyone cheering becomes complicit in forever war.
You've sent me a scene about people so drunk on their enemy's fear that they can't see they've become the monsters.
So either you're agreeing that celebrating suffering makes us indistinguishable from what we oppose, or you've accidentally proven my point by quoting the villains as heroes.
Either way, I couldn't have picked a better metaphor myself.
The Federation doesn't attempt communication or diplomacy.
I understand where you're coming from broadly with your thesis, and I agree with you more than I want to. The above line struck me, though, because The Left writ large at least has been trying to communicate and attempting diplomacy with our Bugs for decades, and especially lately it's become essentially useless.
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I get that people only have a limited energy to engage with people they don't know as our time is limited. Having said that I don't believe I am wrong, since you've not even attempted to engage with what I said, and have instead chosen insults. If you do decide to care in the future, I would be open to conversing.
Edit Response:
I don't hate PBS and I don't want to hurt your feelings or spread bad ideas. I simply have the media literacy to understand that PBS is politically biased towards a corporate US ideology that is not above spreading propaganda to mislead viewers. As I said before, I do think it is better run than most broadcast stations, but I am still critical of it's choices, since it is bad practice to blindly trust even 'good' new sources without being aware of their bias.Saying you mansplained is not an insult. So I stopped reading this message when you just made that false claim again. Later.
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He had shitty opinions, we know. I won't follow them. I will have empathy and I will not celebrate his death. Still, I think the world's population improved with one less hateful person around.
I will have empathy
How dare you dishonor his memory.
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I keep seeing this photo of Charlie Kirk and I keep thinking "There's no way that's Charlie Kirk".
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Here’s the frustration and why this should not be celebrated:
Charlie Kirk spent years dehumanizing people, making lives measurably worse, and profiting from hatred. The cosmic irony of him being shot while calling trans people dangerous and minimizing gun violence feels like the universe delivering a punchline he wrote himself. There’s a cathartic release in seeing someone who seemed untouchable suddenly silenced by the very violence he dismissed.
But that catharsis is blinding, vile, and destructive. Every celebration post, every "rest in piss" meme, every "fucked around and found out" joke is already being screenshot and weaponized. The worst people imaginable, those eager to exploit violence, are being handed exactly what they want: supposed proof that “they were right,” justification for crackdowns, and, most dangerously, a martyr whose blood sanctifies every awful thing he stood for.
Celebration may feel like a dunk on fascism, but in reality it accelerates it. It may feel like strength, but it exposes a movement so strategically bankrupt that it mistakes emotional satisfaction for political victory. Kirk alive was one influencer among many; Kirk dead is a rallying cry that will outlive us all.
The rage at what he represented is justified. But celebrating his death guarantees those very ideas will flourish. American democracy is dying, and a gravedigger falling into the hole is no victory when it only deepens the grave.
His ideas needed to be defeated. Instead, they’ve been immortalized.
Yeah, worried about this and the punishment doesn't fit the crime, and too much room for his death to be weaponized, like you say.
Would have much rather him taken a few to the vest from a handgun from a pissed off obviously MAGA person. Give him some pain and a good scare to have him realize personally just how risky the hornet's nest is that he is stirring. Something that might be a close enough call for others to see without becoming a rallying cry and a clear link to the violence of the rhetoric without a chance to blame 'the other'.
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I take a little solace from the fact that win or not, he will not be here to see it through
Of all the people I was worried about materially contributing to the mess, Charlie Kirk was pretty low on the list.
He said vile stuff, but he was not himself a wielder of power. His rhetoric and words had power, he did not. His death in this manner has given strength to that rhetoric and those words without removing any of his meaningful influence to the system.
Better that these folks suffer the fear of what they court, to have their own MAGA fanatics turn against them with violence that scares them, but leaves them largely intact to have them retreat from their position without becoming martyrs.
Now if some folks actively wielding the power in harmful ways meet some ends, I might have a little less mixed feelings about it.
I will confess to perhaps not celebrating, but appreciating the connection between his sociopathic stance on gun deaths and he himself joining a group he himself said we shouldn't be so concerned about.
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It's unlikely that he has been buried yet. Inaccurate joke.
Ah yes, that's very important
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definitely inside job. The dude who failed to shoot Trump was around 160 yards away. Whoever shot Kirk was around 150 - 200 yards away and he only needed 1 shot. Definitely pro stuff, maybe a hit order from within the gov.
200 yards isn't that big of a deal for a half decent marksman. Thomas Crooks was a lousy shot but if it wasnt for Trump's last second head movement he would have been shot through the head.
The rifle used to shoot Kirk was in .30-06 AND was a bolt-action Mauser style military rifle which has far superior ballistic qualities as a target rifle and round, meaning it is quite simple to bullseye someone's head with a little practice and training at that distance.
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Hey! It's Charlie Kirk!
