PayPal owns brands like Venmo, Honey and is heavily integrated into eBay - if you're looking to stop giving your money to bad companies, take a second to search their subsidiary brands as well.
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This site provides absolutely no evidence of any of its claims and even includes the following little gem in the FAQ section on that page:
Is PayPal Safe?
Yes, all Paypal transactions are encrypted. Plus, it has two-factor authentication and fraud protection.
Safe for its customers, or safe for PayPal?
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You literally cannot escape these companies, they own everything. Every brand of every everything, and you've got a large corporation in there somewhere in the shadows. That's why they tell you to separate the art from the artist, because it's been made impossible to boycott anything.
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Zelle is separate right?
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From wikipedia
Zelle (/zɛl/) is a United States–based digital payments network run by a private financial services company owned by the banks Bank of America, Truist, Capital One, JPMorgan Chase, PNC Bank, U.S. Bank, and Wells Fargo.
So PayPal does not seem to own an interest in Zelle, but the group of owners isn't necessarily better than PayPal.
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See, this isn't viable.
This is the "ban plastic straws" of late stage capitalism. Overrepresenting individual action to distract from the need of structural reform.
Stop voting with your wallet, it's pointless. Consumption is not expressing support. Vote with your votes, if you're in a place where you have a chance to do so, find other ways to organize collective action if you don't.
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You want to hurt the money changer?
Use cash as much as possible... that shit really hurts these parasites.
Buy us bonds directly from the Treasury! They hate it!
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If you're in a country with a two party system then voting has even less impact that than giving your money to a more worthwhile company.
Consumption is not expressing support.
You may not support them with your words but giving them money is literally support. Like giving a horse an apple and then saying you're not feeding it.
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Really? Maybe true for things like Nestlé but I don't use any of these services directly and it hasn't been difficult.
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No, it's like giving the horse a sugar cube where you own exactly one of the grains of sugar, taking your grain of sugar away and pretending you've made a difference.
Or, you know, banning plastic straws.
You're absolutely wrong about two party systems in any case, even those have tons of elected roles in different layers of governance where changes matter. And that's also where the collective action comes in. Your feel-good token choices of companies and services to avoid haven't done anything in the past thirty years and aren't going to start now.
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Disagree, haven't touched Paypal or anything related to Paypal in years without issue.
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Nestlé is easy. I didn't know the last time I bought something from them.
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It's capital all the way down, man.
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The site was a quick roundup of info to link to. Post isn't an endorsement of the site and doesn't try to be, it's an endorsement of the broader idea. I didn't say to eat a bowl of horseshit and smile about it, I said PayPal owns Venmo and the implication is that a lot of decent people will stop using Paypal in protest and say, "I'll just use Venmo instead".
So helping some of the younger folks realize that separation doesn't exist in many large brands - a thing that a lot of us do know and consider, but don't be so arrogant as to assume people aren't learning these things every day.
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To the point of this post, do you know just how many subsidiary brands nestle operates? Likely true that you didn't know the last time, but very likely you have patronized them.
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Individually we do not make much of a difference in anything but that's an excuse to avoid searching for a better company and often tolerating a worse offer (e.g. a fair trade product that costs more, or lacks modern features).
Change in politics certainly matters but your individual support of a political party in terms of one vote has practically no affect on the result in a winner-take-all/first-past-the-post voting system. Your individual "vote" in support of a company is at least a non-zero value, and sometimes is multiple "votes" per year.
People often say it would be better if just more people voted, but that's only helpful for them because they imagine they would vote for the main party they like the most. I doubt that's the case. The most important structural reform imo is to increase the representation of the public in government - and it's not a main party's self interests to do that. Voting is unlikely to change that.
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I just finished removing all my payment methods from paypal and have to wait for a transaction to complete before I can delete the account entirely.
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Who are "they" and who says that that is valid advice?
"Separate the artist..." is fairly accepted by any decent people I know as a way for selfish people to forgive themselves the burden of minor personal sacrifices related to their own consumer activities. The long form is literally, "Yes, Michael Jackson did horrible things to that little boy's butthole, Woody Allen molested his daughter and married his adopted child and Bill Cosby drugged and raped women for decades, but let's go buy their movie/album!" - you likely wouldn't say the long form through, would you? You would hide and obfuscate behind, "sepatate the artist..." So you don't have to say the bad things out loud.
Nobody with any integrity buys into "separate the artist..."
Also, to your point about this post, again it's a similarly lazy way to forgive yourself the burden of trying to stay aware of these things and making little changes to how you vote with your wallet. You can absolutely do something like go shop at Costco this week instead of target - as one performatively eliminated diversity programs at their company while one preserved them as a stand. That's where your opinion falls apart because yes, you can likely find something to hate Costco as well (because they are all garbage companies, but there are shades, they aren't all equal. You have to participate to function, but you can do the slightest amount of work to shop more consciously. But that is the work you are trying to forgive yourself of.
The point isn't perfection, but to do enough for this week and try again next week. Before you know it, you're shopping more consciously wherever you go.
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You don't buy any soda or water?
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A group of different bad people behind Zelle. But maybe enough to stop supporting those few South African ghouls working to role America and then the would beyond. You'll need to decide where your line is, but deleting PayPal account and uninstalling their apps is a start. Maybe you go to Zelle and use that while you research if there is something decent somewhere.
Maybe it means going back to small credit unions? paper checks? Direct bank transfers with friends/family? Not sure what best alternatives is currently. Banking in general is just not really ever going to contain good people - maybe if we allow personal banking at the post office one day - but that's a pipe dream as fascists are denying judges rulings and releasing January 6 criminals who tased a cop in the neck and admitted to it under oath.
