Germany Turns to U.S. Playbook: Deportations Target Gaza War Protesters
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If you search for it, its only reported by two outlets. There is not a single German newspaper reporting this, including left wing or Berlin regional ones. Searching for the names in the articles returns no results linked to Berlin or Free Palestine at all. The name of the public official also turns up nothing.
Could be misinformation.
The Tagesspiegel as well. One of the German papers of middle size. They also asked sources independently.
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Hey, you didn’t happen to search this again today did you? Just curious, thank you!
Hi, a bunch of other newspapers have now reported this. They have independently verified it, including with the courts. Ex: https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/nach-beteiligung-an-palastina-protesten-in-berlin-drei-eu-burgern-und-einem-studenten-aus-den-usa-droht-ausweisung-13468543.html
Laut der Gerichtssprecherin hat das LEA den drei EU-Bürgern attestiert, sie seien eine „gegenwärtige Gefahr für die öffentliche Sicherheit und Ordnung“. Gestützt werde dies auf mehrere Strafverfahren mit Bezug zum Nahostkonflikt.
Dabei gehe es um Widerstand gegen Vollzugsbeamte nach Auflösung von Demonstrationen, Beleidigung, besonders schwerer Landfriedensbruch und die Verwendung von Kennzeichen terroristischer Organisationen, darunter auch der Spruch „From the River to the Sea“. Alle Personen seien, so der Vorwurf der Ausländerbehörde, Mitglieder einer gewaltbereiten Gruppe der propalästinensischen Szene, sagte die Gerichtssprecherin.
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well known russia supporter
Never supported the russian government in any of the comments i ever made. You sound brainwashed on propaganda.
Harry, yer a tankie now.
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Taz for example being the biggest one. They are talking about Gaza contantly. They also haven't picked up this story
The Tagesspiegel since has https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/nach-beteiligung-an-palastina-protesten-in-berlin-drei-eu-burgern-und-einem-studenten-aus-den-usa-droht-ausweisung-13468543.html (Article is in German)
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Look further, he comments a lot. He tries more and more to conceal his views
He retroactively went a day back in time to "conceal his views" after you called him a Russian shill?
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Doesn't seem very pro Russia to me
Everything anti-genocide is apparently pro-Russia... I've been accused of being a tanky, and a Russian shill; and well, I'm most certainly neither of them.
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It was a lie.
Nah, Putin already has marked the map with Trump's sharpie.
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Nope I just thought it was wird that no other oulet was reporting in this. Since then they have picked up the story and got confirmation on the story indepentanly. But it was weird that something of this magnitude wasn't picked up by anyone immeadeatly. I also would have believed it if the intercept linked to some sources but they didn't. Probably because there were none that were public ally accessible. It sometimes happens that newsstorys get out that are false so I've made it a rule of mine to not trust story's of significant magnitude when there is only one source.
Never seen an other story as downplayed as this one though.
You weren’t the only one to discuss the credibility of an already proven reliable journal.
It shifts the conversation from talking about the deportation of EU citizens to "this looks fake", "it’s misinformation"… also this post has been heavily downvoted.
Just weird.
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Never seen an other story as downplayed as this one though.
You weren’t the only one to discuss the credibility of an already proven reliable journal.
It shifts the conversation from talking about the deportation of EU citizens to "this looks fake", "it’s misinformation"… also this post has been heavily downvoted.
Just weird.
For me personally I can say that I do not read the intercept often enough to have a grasp on how reliable they are. So the publishers name and it's associated clout alone wasn't enough for me to believe the story's content. If you are more familiar with them then maybe that's why our initial reactions to the story were different.
Imho it's ok to focus on a storys credibility first before discusing it's content. Even if the contents message transports the right message. In hindsight it was bad of couse but hindsight is 20/20.
Anyone who down votes this just because it may be false is overreacting though since it's understandable that the intercept couldn't link to any external sources here. -
International law: Conducting and Support of Genocide is Illegal.
U.S./Germany law: Protesting Genocide is Illegal.
The challenge lies in the fact that criticism of Israel is often intertwined with accusations of anti-Semitism. Germany finds itself in a delicate position: on one hand, it has pledged unwavering support to the state of Israel; on the other hand, it must uphold the right to dissent and allow protests against Israeli policies.
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For me personally I can say that I do not read the intercept often enough to have a grasp on how reliable they are. So the publishers name and it's associated clout alone wasn't enough for me to believe the story's content. If you are more familiar with them then maybe that's why our initial reactions to the story were different.
Imho it's ok to focus on a storys credibility first before discusing it's content. Even if the contents message transports the right message. In hindsight it was bad of couse but hindsight is 20/20.
Anyone who down votes this just because it may be false is overreacting though since it's understandable that the intercept couldn't link to any external sources here.Okay, I understand.
I would recommend using this website, it’s really useful when it comes to check journals reliability.
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The Tagesspiegel as well. One of the German papers of middle size. They also asked sources independently.
The account in the linked article presents a completely different version of events compared to the original narrative by TheIntercept.com.
According to the Tagesspiegel article, individuals armed with axes reportedly forced their way into the Free University of Berlin, where they threatened staff members and caused damage to the premises. -
Their argument is liberals capitulating to the right in order to "win over voters" which will never vote for them. Not an exact 1 to 1 comparison.
Kamala did support the brutal crackdown on student protesters. But, she did indeed not deport them. That said, ICE under Biden and Kamala was already heavily in violation of human rights and continuing the Trump 2016 agenda. Deportation of wrongthink is but the next logical step of the ratchet effect.
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Okay buddy, American far left accelerationists working hand in hand with the alt right to dismantle democracy will never not be funny from an outside perspective.
Ahhh yes it's the far left that's working hand in hand with the fascists not the Democrats who rubber stamped Trump's cabinet picks, the Laken Riley act, and helped the recent spending bill over the edge lol.
You're actually just blue MAGA, you somehow make fun of Red Hats for still blaming Biden for everything while blaming the boogyman leftist for your parties failures.
It'd be hilarious how you people think you're so different from Republicans if I didn't have to deal with the reality of your representatives working with fascists to dismantle OUR rights.
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checks who the current president is
How could the democrats let this happen?!?
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Are deportations part of the spending bill or are you moving the goal post?
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Berlin’s immigration authorities are moving to deport four young foreign residents on allegations related to participation in protests against Israel’s war on Gaza, an unprecedented move that raises serious concerns over civil liberties in Germany.
The deportation orders, issued under German migration law, were made amid political pressure and over internal objections from the head of the state of Berlin’s immigration agency.
The internal strife arose because three of those targeted for deportation are citizens of European Union member states who normally enjoy freedom of movement between E.U. countries. None of the four has been convicted of any crimes.
“What we’re seeing here is straight out of the far right’s playbook,” said Alexander Gorski, a lawyer representing two of the protesters. “You can see it in the U.S. and Germany, too: Political dissent is silenced by targeting the migration status of protesters.”
Israel applying pressure on Germany.
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Berlin’s immigration authorities are moving to deport four young foreign residents on allegations related to participation in protests against Israel’s war on Gaza, an unprecedented move that raises serious concerns over civil liberties in Germany.
The deportation orders, issued under German migration law, were made amid political pressure and over internal objections from the head of the state of Berlin’s immigration agency.
The internal strife arose because three of those targeted for deportation are citizens of European Union member states who normally enjoy freedom of movement between E.U. countries. None of the four has been convicted of any crimes.
“What we’re seeing here is straight out of the far right’s playbook,” said Alexander Gorski, a lawyer representing two of the protesters. “You can see it in the U.S. and Germany, too: Political dissent is silenced by targeting the migration status of protesters.”
Albert Einstein is 100% correct.
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The challenge lies in the fact that criticism of Israel is often intertwined with accusations of anti-Semitism. Germany finds itself in a delicate position: on one hand, it has pledged unwavering support to the state of Israel; on the other hand, it must uphold the right to dissent and allow protests against Israeli policies.
It’s not delicate at all.
If you don't stick to your values when they're being tested, they're not values: they're hobbies.
—Jon Stewart
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Are deportations part of the spending bill or are you moving the goal post?
