Anon describes experience
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The bajillion stories in the comments about horrible experiences with math just reinforce the fact that I've made the right career choice.
I became an elementary teacher as a second career specifically because so many elementary teachers are absolutely terrible at teaching math. (Mostly because they don't actually understand the math that they're teaching. In my university cohort, almost 50% of my classmates failed the math entrance exam the first time. There was nothing more complex than 5th grade math on that test.)
Students should be allowed to use the strategies that work for them, and they should definitely never be punished for knowing math from higher grade levels.
If a student in my class knows something more advanced, I will challenge them to use grade-level-appropriate strategies to prove that their answers are correct. And if they demonstrate that they can do both, I'll give them more advanced work to help them grow.
There's good out there too. I was good at maths in school and was encouraged to do more advanced stuff
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Ah I recall my "science" teacher when I was 13 explaining to us that all materials expand when heated and shrink when cooled.
So I ask how ice floats, or how ice cubes swell above the tray.
And a good teacher would have told you that water freezing is one of the weird cases, as water has a less dense solid form than its liquid form. Although even water is less dense at 2° than at 20°
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Ha! Not religious, but yes from Catholic background both me & husband. I do like kids, and they are all glad now to have such an extensive network of siblings. White mostly by way of Southern Europe on my side, husband mostly by way of Eastern Europe.
Sounds like there were a lot of fights growing up but now they're at somewhat peace with one another
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And now, I feel rage too. Be very afraid, unnamed teacher!
AI is coming for your job!
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That's just bad teaching. If you're not allowed to use negatives then the teacher shouldn't be asking questions where negatives are the answer. 20-25 is NOT equal to zero whether you've learnt negatives or not.
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in case you still care: the periodic table is arranged primarily by the chemical properties of its elements (mainly electronegativity, i.e. how much energy it takes to add/remove an electron to/from the atom) and also by their mass.
Huh? It's sorted by number of electrons/protons (atomic number) the mass is dependent on that and the number of neutrons.
The eight main groups are based on the number of electrons missing for the atom to reach a full valence shell. Once it is full (8th group, noble gasses) it starts a new Period (row). I'm not sure how the other groups are chosen (probably some quantum physics that I never had in chemistry class). After looking it up Wikipedia says it just keeps going that way.
Electronegativity describes how much it "wants" to attract negative charges and doesn't affect the order (Flourine has the highest and is in group 7). I think you may have confused it with ionization energy which would certainly match my understanding of the top half of the periodic table and probably does work for the lower half too now that I think about it.
The groups tend to have similar properties but that is not why they are sorted that way. Hydrogen for example is quite different from other elements in group one. The colours are probably better for finding common properties.
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That's just bad teaching. If you're not allowed to use negatives then the teacher shouldn't be asking questions where negatives are the answer. 20-25 is NOT equal to zero whether you've learnt negatives or not.
It's just a greentext. It's fake.
Also gay.
Mostly it's a fetishization of being the minderstood smart kid with scenarios that aren't true but feel true.
Pretty fake. Pretty gay.
I don't really like the slur I've been using here, but authenticity requires it. Oi moi.
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On the other hand, its a crash course in reality of just because you're right it doesn't mean anyone gives a shit
I will make them give a shit with my loud voice and this gun I found!
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Oof, i can feel anon. Actually true probably, similar stuff happened to me. Also getting this writte in as bad behaviour as well. I started so many arguments with teachers because they were bullshitting. Maths is one thing, i was really into it as a child(still am) but i understand why a teacher has to teach things in order. Of course this could be solved with more resources, and more importantly, distrobuting resources better by having a bit more personalized education. But what i was on about is that its very common(in eastern europe at least) for teachers to spread actual complete fucking bullshit. The amount of times they took disciplinary action against me because i corrected their batshit insane claims is just sad. This mainly happened until 5th and 6th grade where i got to the conclusion that just discussing what we covered during the class, after the class, was a good way of clearing up the mess. Of course i knew way too much for a 10 year old(had an autistic sister who loved to infodump me, we still engage in it time to time ^_^) but the point is that if a 10 year old is constantly correcting his teachers theres a problem in the system. I hoped that more western systems would be better but actually i dont see (sweden in my case) being much better for children even with everyone hyping it up. Well sorry for the rant, idk what could actually solve these problems exactly as im not an expert but i really hope we adress it one day...
Reminds me of a time where I shortened the code for pointers in c++ at age 15, so quite old, and my teacher said it wouldn't work (we didn't have computers in that class, next class we would type the code and execute it in computer lab).
Anyway I said it'd work, he said it would never work, I said well we can test it next class and teacher said we can't waste time in computer lab like that, and I said I will ask principal for extratime in computer lab after school to prove that my code works.
I got sent to principals office anyway for rude and unruley behavior and not only did I get scolded for trying to embarrass my teacher, I wasn't granted extra time in the lab either. Next time in lab I managed to write the shorter code and get same results and I called teacher to show my code works, he just unplugged the cable and sent me to principals office again.Luckily this time they called my parents and my mom unleashed hell on them threatening with talking to press and media and name and shame the teacher and principal for being stupider than a student is when they stopped harassing me.
And I quit paying attention in that class, I got bad marks for low class participation but hey I had already stopped giving fucks at that point.
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Well this didn't happen.
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Guns were even more accessible years prior. So thats not the complete answer.
The rapid increase in school shootings coinsided with the expiration of the assault weapons ban.
So, no. They really weren't
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7 when the story happened, tells it 15 years later in 2020, so I'm supposed to believe this guy is 7 - 15 + 2025 - 2020 = -3 today. Something doesn't check out about this story.
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I really don't get this attitude. I've taught many classes, and making mistakes is just part of teaching. Unless you're just reading from a textbook (and even those can be wrong), you're going to make some mistakes. I'm a human being; sometimes I'm going to get stuff wrong. I try to minimize the errors, and it's not like I'm teaching subjects I'm unqualified to teach. But to err is human. Maybe it's different because I've taught undergrad students rather than K12, but IDK. I just really don't get the attitude of an educator that feels they need to conjure up an aura of unerring perfection.
if I make a mistake in some derivation, I'll just admit it, usually with some self-deprecating humor. A few things I've said to address it when it happens:
"Whoops! Guess the coffee hasn't kicked in yet!"
"Whelp, contrary to popular opinion, I am not infallible!"
"Well, I'm clearly not infallible, guess I'll never be pope!"
<Delivered with obvious sarcasm.> "No, you see, that was intentional! i was just testing you to see if you would notice my error! Obviously it can't be that I made a mistake!'
"Whelp, as you can plainly see, I am clearly drunk!"
I've said all these and other things in front of entire classrooms of students. I don't make mistakes often. But if you teach enough, it does happen. And it's always a bit annoying to the students, as they have to back up, maybe correct their notes, etc. And I try to lighten that annoyance with some levity. So I try to make my lectures as correct as possible. But when mistakes do happen, i just try not to make a big deal about them, I dismiss them with some light humor.
Honestly, I'm glad I make mistakes. I wouldn't want to teach if I didn't. Part of teaching is making students feel confident that they have the ability to wrap their heads around concepts that may be very challenging. And if even the instructor can make mistakes? Well then students hopefully won't feel so frustrated and demoralized about the ones they make.
It's a fine line to walk while teaching. On the one hand, you want to be an authoritative source of knowledge on whatever topic you're teaching. On the other, you need to be human. And part of that is not trying to portray yourself as some infallible god. Because ultimately that's not what you are. And kids are clever and perceptive; they can see through your bullshit. If you make a mistake and try to cover it up, they will see through it, and they will lose respect for you. Aside from a few reprobates, most kids have enough emotional intelligence to realize that ultimately you're just a human being trying to do your best, and that some errors are inevitable. Students are perfectly willing to forgive imperfection. They're far less willing to forgive dishonesty.
These teachers are just teaching from the same cloth they were taught from.
- The teacher is always right.
- If the teacher is wrong, refer back to rule number one.
The teaching goals in this system are to teach obedience, not information. It's highly useful when training the next generation of factory workers, not thinking individuals. The teachers are teaching a mindset.
And it varies from school to school, locale to locale. It depends on what the admin views as productive and necessary, almost like a culture in a sense, and is the difference between an inner city school vs a private elite school.
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math fraud. top kek.
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7 when the story happened, tells it 15 years later in 2020, so I'm supposed to believe this guy is 7 - 15 + 2025 - 2020 = -3 today. Something doesn't check out about this story.
What the actual fuck.
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The autistic experience summarized
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The bajillion stories in the comments about horrible experiences with math just reinforce the fact that I've made the right career choice.
I became an elementary teacher as a second career specifically because so many elementary teachers are absolutely terrible at teaching math. (Mostly because they don't actually understand the math that they're teaching. In my university cohort, almost 50% of my classmates failed the math entrance exam the first time. There was nothing more complex than 5th grade math on that test.)
Students should be allowed to use the strategies that work for them, and they should definitely never be punished for knowing math from higher grade levels.
If a student in my class knows something more advanced, I will challenge them to use grade-level-appropriate strategies to prove that their answers are correct. And if they demonstrate that they can do both, I'll give them more advanced work to help them grow.
Seeing several of the most brain-dead people I knew in high school going into teaching really made me lose a little respect for teachers. Don't get me wrong, I've had some great teachers, but this really explains all the shitty ones.
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Reminds me of a time where I shortened the code for pointers in c++ at age 15, so quite old, and my teacher said it wouldn't work (we didn't have computers in that class, next class we would type the code and execute it in computer lab).
Anyway I said it'd work, he said it would never work, I said well we can test it next class and teacher said we can't waste time in computer lab like that, and I said I will ask principal for extratime in computer lab after school to prove that my code works.
I got sent to principals office anyway for rude and unruley behavior and not only did I get scolded for trying to embarrass my teacher, I wasn't granted extra time in the lab either. Next time in lab I managed to write the shorter code and get same results and I called teacher to show my code works, he just unplugged the cable and sent me to principals office again.Luckily this time they called my parents and my mom unleashed hell on them threatening with talking to press and media and name and shame the teacher and principal for being stupider than a student is when they stopped harassing me.
And I quit paying attention in that class, I got bad marks for low class participation but hey I had already stopped giving fucks at that point.
Ohh lol i just wrote c instead of c++. It was so low level anyway that i could just write clean c and it usually compiled as c++. But thst was already in highschool for me where they actually gave a fuck about us unlike in primary.
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That, and teachers really fucking hate being called out on something for some reason.
Teachers and parents. So many tend to double down when you point out their mistakes.
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That, and teachers really fucking hate being called out on something for some reason.
All they got in life is their self-declared superiority over literal children
