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    One part of me wants to feel disappointed that kids aren't learning to read analog clocks, but another part of me thinks there was a time when people grew disappointed that the younger generations stopped learning to use an abacus in favor of digital calculators. I certainly don't want some old geezer giving me shit because I don't want to learn to use an abacus. I also don't want to be that old geezer.

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    Teacher here.

    I'm pretty certain that the only place where my students ever encounter an analog clock is at school. But teaching how to read analog clocks is required in our math education standards, so I have one and I use it, even though I think there are other, more relevant places to put our academic focus.

    I'm 45 years old. I'm pretty sure we only ever had one analog clock in our house when I was growing up in the '80s, and that was my grandpa's alarm clock. The only places I've been where only analog clocks were available have been schools. Even our local bank in my small town changed to a digital clock on its sign outside.

    Unfortunately, education systems are dictated by legislators, who are often old and out-of-touch. So I doubt we'll see a change in the education requirements any time soon. But, just like how keyboarding has replaced cursive in classrooms, it will eventually come.

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      I fail to see why problem an analogue clocks are a solution for.

      Like cursive they are obsolete.

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      Maybe you can't see the gap in your education...?

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        Analogue clocks are a great example of kids having to understand a concept and apply it. And it's simple enough that anyone can learn it.

        I often see examples where children are required to memorize a set solution, instead of showing understanding and reaching the solutions themselves.

        These clocks are somewhat dated, but removing them just feels like another symptom of a failing educational system.

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        Analog clocks are dated? Let's get rid of books because we have kindles. Just something was invented a very long time ago doesn't make it obsolete by any means. Or should we get rid of spoons or hammers? Those things are really somewhat dated.

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          Teacher here.

          I'm pretty certain that the only place where my students ever encounter an analog clock is at school. But teaching how to read analog clocks is required in our math education standards, so I have one and I use it, even though I think there are other, more relevant places to put our academic focus.

          I'm 45 years old. I'm pretty sure we only ever had one analog clock in our house when I was growing up in the '80s, and that was my grandpa's alarm clock. The only places I've been where only analog clocks were available have been schools. Even our local bank in my small town changed to a digital clock on its sign outside.

          Unfortunately, education systems are dictated by legislators, who are often old and out-of-touch. So I doubt we'll see a change in the education requirements any time soon. But, just like how keyboarding has replaced cursive in classrooms, it will eventually come.

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          I'm 32, I wear an analog clock on my arm every day

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            Teacher here.

            I'm pretty certain that the only place where my students ever encounter an analog clock is at school. But teaching how to read analog clocks is required in our math education standards, so I have one and I use it, even though I think there are other, more relevant places to put our academic focus.

            I'm 45 years old. I'm pretty sure we only ever had one analog clock in our house when I was growing up in the '80s, and that was my grandpa's alarm clock. The only places I've been where only analog clocks were available have been schools. Even our local bank in my small town changed to a digital clock on its sign outside.

            Unfortunately, education systems are dictated by legislators, who are often old and out-of-touch. So I doubt we'll see a change in the education requirements any time soon. But, just like how keyboarding has replaced cursive in classrooms, it will eventually come.

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            Are you from the US? I'm completely amazed that there are counties we you are almost never exposed to analog clocks. I'm from Europe and analog clocks are everywhere. Every train station, public buildings, churches, clock towers, homes, wrist watches. Heck we even have tons of (but more because of esthetics instead of serious time keeping) sun dials on walls (which the analog clock and the clock wise direction is based on - for the north hemisphere).
            Many appliances/devices have digital clocks but that's not because the are more modern/better but because they are way cheaper to produce and have less moving parts.

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              Analog clocks are dated? Let's get rid of books because we have kindles. Just something was invented a very long time ago doesn't make it obsolete by any means. Or should we get rid of spoons or hammers? Those things are really somewhat dated.

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              Yeah I keep an analog clock on the wall because it's a more intuitive way to keep track of how long I've got to get ready to go out. I know where the angle of the minute hand will be when I have to be out the door, so it's quicker to glance it it and know if I gotta pick up the pace or I got plenty of time or whatever.

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                Why are you so adamant that reading an analog clock is required to pass an exam that doesn't feature any material related to reading analog clocks?

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                Why are you so adamant that reading is required at all? You could just watch ticktock instead after all.

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                  Kids don’t know cursive either. Nobody needs it anymore.

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                  Being "taught" cursive in school was torture, anyway.

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                    I don't know why you would need a clock if you're trapped in your house. Maybe if you have to take pills at a specific time but usually you can be off by an hour or two which I can tell simply by looking outside and sensing time internally.

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                    which I can tell simply by looking outside

                    In a snow storm?

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                      I know a Gen X guy who "hates" digital clocks because "they don't have hands to tell me what time it is."

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                      That might actually be a perfect example of mental gymnastics. What a strange justification of just liking something.

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                        cursive is faster than block face though.

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                        not really. It's faster while writing it sometimes. But if you factor in the time it takes to try reading it a year later you end up with a net loss

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                          Teacher here.

                          I'm pretty certain that the only place where my students ever encounter an analog clock is at school. But teaching how to read analog clocks is required in our math education standards, so I have one and I use it, even though I think there are other, more relevant places to put our academic focus.

                          I'm 45 years old. I'm pretty sure we only ever had one analog clock in our house when I was growing up in the '80s, and that was my grandpa's alarm clock. The only places I've been where only analog clocks were available have been schools. Even our local bank in my small town changed to a digital clock on its sign outside.

                          Unfortunately, education systems are dictated by legislators, who are often old and out-of-touch. So I doubt we'll see a change in the education requirements any time soon. But, just like how keyboarding has replaced cursive in classrooms, it will eventually come.

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                          Teacher here.

                          I'm pretty certain that the only place where my students ever encounter an analog clock is at school.

                          What the actual fuck? Are you not using wrist watches at all at whatever US hole you are a teacher at? Because most of these are analogue.

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                            Are you from the US? I'm completely amazed that there are counties we you are almost never exposed to analog clocks. I'm from Europe and analog clocks are everywhere. Every train station, public buildings, churches, clock towers, homes, wrist watches. Heck we even have tons of (but more because of esthetics instead of serious time keeping) sun dials on walls (which the analog clock and the clock wise direction is based on - for the north hemisphere).
                            Many appliances/devices have digital clocks but that's not because the are more modern/better but because they are way cheaper to produce and have less moving parts.

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                            Mind you, they are the people who measure area in "stadiums" and the distance in "football field lengths" because they are too stupid to comprehend the metric system.

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                              Maybe you can't see the gap in your education...?

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                              Or between his ears...?

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                                Still can't understand how any kid cannot do it. Isn't that something you learn from your parents before you even go to school

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                                .... Unless the parents are idiots as well.

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                                  Teacher here.

                                  I'm pretty certain that the only place where my students ever encounter an analog clock is at school. But teaching how to read analog clocks is required in our math education standards, so I have one and I use it, even though I think there are other, more relevant places to put our academic focus.

                                  I'm 45 years old. I'm pretty sure we only ever had one analog clock in our house when I was growing up in the '80s, and that was my grandpa's alarm clock. The only places I've been where only analog clocks were available have been schools. Even our local bank in my small town changed to a digital clock on its sign outside.

                                  Unfortunately, education systems are dictated by legislators, who are often old and out-of-touch. So I doubt we'll see a change in the education requirements any time soon. But, just like how keyboarding has replaced cursive in classrooms, it will eventually come.

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                                  Surely this comes from the American, not European point of view, yeah?

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                                    Analog clocks are dated? Let's get rid of books because we have kindles. Just something was invented a very long time ago doesn't make it obsolete by any means. Or should we get rid of spoons or hammers? Those things are really somewhat dated.

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                                    Dated does not mean obsolete. But it's hard to deny a digital clock is superior in almost every way.

                                    Unlike the other examples you're giving, I fail to see in what aspect an analog clock beats a digital one. Sure they have a certain charm, but functionally they're just behind their digital counterpart.

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                                      All of your examples are aesthetics..

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                                      Yeah, they're still useful points of knowledge though. Wholistic education is important to teach kids how the world works.

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                                        Its becoming a reality though. I work in a school (primary and secondary) and the exams officer is putting digital clocks only in the exam rooms for that reason.

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                                        When my friend's daughter was 9 years old and he was complaining how she didn't know how to read an analogue clock.

                                        I mean, I wound up teaching my nephews when they were 4 ... not sure what's stopping him from doing it though.

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                                          This was only to reduce interruptions by some students (during a specific kind of UK exams), who had trouble determining the remaining time in the heat of the exam battle

                                          I am not being funny but if someone is unable to read the time perhaps they shouldn't be in the exam room in the first place.

                                          It is like saying that all questions will be read out loud all the time and verbal answers recorded instead of written ones - because some students are illiterate.

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                                          Ah, okay, I can't take exams because my dyscalculia makes it difficult for me to read a clock (and it's not worth my time).

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