What are the reasons to use Signal over Telegram

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Why use two different apps? I only use Signal, and have gotten so many friends, coworkers, and family to use Signal.

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Message history is a valid point. Signal just announced they're fixing it.

Safety number change notifications are probably necessary to maintain Signal's high level of security. The above device linking improvements should make them less frequent, though I'll concede some might consider that a worse UX than an insecure chat with no such notifications.

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Pegasus really negates a lot of security too.

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How does that work? I wasn't able to find this. Can you find documentation or code that explains how the client can obscure where it came from?

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Telegram seems to be a popular option for groups of such orgs. Other apps have the same risks tho. It's a bit if a mess

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I think Dessalines most recent comment is fair even if it's harsh. You should understand the nature of a "national security letter" to have the context. The vast majority of (USA) government requests are NSLs because they require the least red tape. When you receive one, it's illegal to disclose that you have, and not to comply. It requires you to share all metadata you have, but they routinely ask for more.

Here's an article that details the CIA connection https://www.kitklarenberg.com/p/signal-facing-collapse-after-cia

The concern doesn't stem from the CIA funding. It's inherit to all services operating in or hosted in the USA. They should be assumed compromised by default, since the laws of that country require them to be. Therefore, any app you trust has to be completely unable to spy on you. Signal understands this, and uses it in their marketing. But it isn't true, they've made decisions that allow them to spy on you, and ask that you trust them not to. Matrix, XMPP and SimpleX cannot spy on you by design. (It's possible those apps were made wrong, and therefore allow spying, but that's a different argument).

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Not an endorsement of WhatsApp but they aren’t duplicating the metadata everywhere since it is centralized. I believe they run a fork of Ejabberd as well for the platform which is orders of magnitude more scalable & uses less resources than any of the Matrix servers—& they have to me RAM intensive due to how they duplicate that data..

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I have read that it is self hostable (but I haven't digged into it) but as it's not a federating service so not better than other alternative out there.

Also read that the keys are stored locally but also somehow stored in the cloud (??), which makes it all completely worthless if it is true.

That said, the three letter agencies can probably get in any android/apple phones if they want to, like I'm not forgetting the oh so convenient "bug" heartbleed...

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Compromising one of the devices is always game over. The only way to be Pegasus-proof is to not communicate digitally.

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WhatsApp is E2EE and it does maintain some of the "cloud" functionality, at the expense of the device transfers being a pain and potentially you losing your message history if you don't have a backup.

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https://signal.org/blog/sealed-sender/ explains the feature.

https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/13842 has some links into the code base showing where sealed sender is implemented.

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The concern is valid, and it has caused a lot of distrust in many companies due to the Snowden leaks, but that distrust is founded in the leaks.

Snowden explicitly endorsed Signal, too - and as far as I know he’s never walked that endorsement back.

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In Telegram, you never have to expose your phone number. If you like walking into traps then of course you can.

But can make minimal efforts to not be a degenerate avoiding this obvious easily avoidable trap.

How to avoid exposing your phone number

Make a group called i'm not a complete utter idiot. Whenever you have a friend wanting to connect, make a group link, send it to them, have them join. After joining have them send a message in the group. Just, "Hi". Nothing more. Less is more.

Look for that message and click on the person's name. You are now connected. Send them a personal message, "Hi!".

You can also add them as a contact without sharing your phone number.

Your friend will probably be a degenerate and expose their phone number. Teach them how to go into settings to always hide it.

Try not to call them a degenerate, degenerates hate that.

Also try not to think of them as a degenerate, they will already know that and be proud of it and not understand why you don't share their enthusiasm.

So control what your thoughts.

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You are right. But just not a fun person capable of seeing the humor in this.

Everyone is listing the features of both and not choosing wrong on purpose!

I like sending all my conversations to Russia rather than the US. Or both of them.

As long as i have someone wasting their time trying to snap out of their sleepy deer in headlights stupor after listening to a coder talk about coding.

I also love doing this on facebook messenger too.

Everyone worries about censorship. One thing that is never censored is a coder talking about coding. Cuz the DEI hire head explodes after one second of listening to that.

Try it! It's magical.

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Signal pretends not to.

I prefer Telegram's honesty.

We are Telegram and we are here to help. And to make it more fun we will send all your communications to Russia for a change.

Oh man! Where do i sign up /nosarc

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This 1 + 1 = 2 logic is boring. It's trying to escape out of a wet paper bag over and over again. Whatever your 1 + 1 = 2 logic is their is another guy who can drive a bus staight thru it. Every single time.

In a year from now you will find out you are completely mistaken and just repeating nonsense. Every freak'n time.

Just for once, do the wrong thing. Make the wrong choice on purpose.

Instead of seeing never ending red flags. Today see purple flags. And tomorrow orange. Cuz why do flags always have to be red?

You can be right or you can have fun.

Do the wrong thing sometimes. Live a little.

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The real world, with non-tech people needs solutions that are easy, fast and as close to foolproof as possible.

Nope. Grandma gets a smartphone

Meaning they are hopeless and it's impossible for them to emulate a techie.

It's a fools errand.

Just stop trying to pretend Grandma is something more than completely unimportant and forgettable and hopeless and more likely than not merely a pest.

I'm so tired of entertaining Grandmas.

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I was sold on threats and coersion. Lets do more of that

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Hopefully you aren't driving any buses while you're this high.

It's not never ending red flags. In fact, I see lots of green flags from signal. Telegram, though, that's a different story.

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Then talk about coding. Non-techies curl up into a ball and die slightly inside as they run for the exits.

Highest form of encryption possible.

Try it

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What are the reasons to use Signal over Telegram