Are people in the US aware that they are now definitely a rogue state, or is this fact simply covered up by the usual patriotism?
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There ain't no patriots on Lemmy.
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Of course, that depends on Trump following court orders, which as we know, he’s more than willing to ignore.
I think that's been one of the biggest surprises to this European spectator - that justice can be ignored if you're powerful enough in America.
We had glimpses of it with the first end-of-term pardons. Then Biden did the same for his son, and Trump released all those who committed treason in his name on his first day of his second term. All those people were fund guilt after due process, but someone can unilaterally say "let them free" and they're out. I totally understand the lawyer quitting his career when Trump was "pardoned" for his own crimes after being elected. Biggest case of his career, years invested in training and work and he played a blinder - only for it to be turned to nothing.
So we've learned that if you're rich in the US (because rich == powerful there like nowhere else in the world) then you are untouchable by justice. For a country that was literally born from a civil war, that's a pretty huge failing of its constitution.
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Then explain the shock coming from Europe.
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Kinda on topic, but imma give you some perspective into what it's like to be a liberal leaning person in a deeply red county. Half my friends are independent or republican, all my coworkers and my boss are republicans, and even my dad is straight up MAGA. I've always voted third party because I hated that Democrats never get anything done, but I did vote heavily democrat this past election because I knew how fucked everything would be.
I would say 99% of people do not care or don't think it's a big deal. The ravenous Trump supporters you see on the internet and in videos are more of a minority than the norm. There are definitely some hardcore MAGA here but most everyone is just regular everyday people that are just carrying on like nothing is different. Most of them don't spend much time on the internet and they hardly watch the news. I was talking about the tariff situation to a cashier at a gas station just this morning and it was the first time they were hearing it. And with the news not even covering half the shit that's going on they probably never will. My roommate works downtown and he didn't even know about the protests at the Capitol until I mentioned it to him 3 days later.
I guess my point is that the average person isn't even informed. Not everyone spends a lot of time on the internet so they don't even see what's going on. They decide to vote specifically because the candidate says "Republican" and that's the furthest thought that goes into it. Everyone talks about "this is what they voted for" as if any more thought went into their vote for Romney or McCain than their vote for Trump. And I don't blame them for it because as far as they know, this was just like any other election. They've been bamboozled by local news to think everything is still exactly the same as they slowly pushed the Trump agenda onto them. The hardcore MAGA are definitely fascists in every sense of the word, but these regular everyday people are not fascists. They were just voting for the party they always voted for and were just expecting the same kinda shit from Trump's first term, and the local news didn't tell them anything different.
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The irony is that had the previous administration followed what Obama and Clinton and every other previous administration did on the border topic, they would have won in a landslide. But now the corruption of the last few years is being revealed and it'll be interesting to see the fallout over the next few years.
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In the Chicago black community
I'm sorry, what‽ As a black Chicagoan, no the Hell we aren't.
Well I wish you'd have a chat with all my college buddies from Columbia because I had to unfollow their asses after their long winded screed about boycotting long enough.
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To some 20%-30% of the country 'patriot' means 'whites only'. Honestly, if your so dedicated to being a patriotic American you can't stand up to a government doing everything it can to destroy America, your just an idiot.
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As is typical for the US, 1/3 are deeply aware, 1/3 are in full "patriotic" support, and 1/3 are too distracted by the latest TikTok dance to notice.
should have voted democrat i guess
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Ah, I was mocking you. Kind of makes it less fun when I have to explain it, but considering my audience it's to be expected.
If you write the truth in spongebob case it doesn't make it any less true
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I see the American media as softballing fascism, or they're just outright complicit.
No one will call shit what it is, and every fucking thing in the news needs to be both-sides-ed.
This doesn't help with the less educated grasping these basic concepts, nor does the massive stigmatization of intelligence and critical thinking, nor does the attacks on institutional education.
There's laws constantly being passed in the form of 'vouchers' to drain public school funds and funnel American kids into Christian indoctrination, and our public schools are now dramatically underfunded.
So I guess I understand why more than half the population just straight up ignores politics. because reality here is really depressing.
To be fair, this is the exact same way the American press covered the rise of German fascism at the time
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I'm female. And I'm not ill informed. Love to know what human rights we suppress.
Probably not unimportant even for you: the fact that women's right to self-determination regarding abortions has been effectively abolished in the US. This of course contradicts any civilizational progress and cannot be interpreted as anything other than a severe violation of human rights - I would never have thought that this would be possible in any Western country, but what do I know.
It doesn't stop there - not by a long shot. I don't even want to go into the illegal circumstances under which the USA operates a barbaric torture prison in Guantanamo Bay, or the numerous crimes against humanity that the USA has committed over the years. For the moment, let's stick to the things your fascist government is up to.
The Trump administration's policies have raised significant concerns regarding human rights both domestically and internationally. Key areas of restriction include:
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Immigration and Asylum Rights: Policies have dismantled protections for asylum seekers, expanded immigration detention, and criminalized immigrant communities. Refugees have been blocked from entry, and asylum applications by undocumented migrants have been banned, violating federal law[1][2][4].
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LGBTQ+ Rights: Executive orders prohibit transgender individuals from serving in the military and deny federal recognition of transgender identities, mandating recognition only of binary sexes[1].
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Birthright Citizenship: Efforts to end birthright citizenship for children of undocumented parents could render many children stateless, affecting access to healthcare, education, and identity documents[1][5].
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Policing and Civil Rights: The administration reinstated “no-knock” warrants and choke holds, increasing risks of police violence disproportionately affecting marginalized communities[2].
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International Human Rights Engagement: Withdrawal from the UN Human Rights Council, defunding UN refugee agencies, and sanctions on the International Criminal Court undermine global human rights frameworks[3][7].
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Humanitarian Aid: Suspension of development aid and humanitarian assistance worldwide impacts vulnerable populations dependent on U.S. support[1][5].
These actions collectively erode protections for marginalized groups and weaken international human rights systems.
And that's just a glimpse. If you think the US does not suppress human rights you are plain wrong.
Sources:
[1] Trump's Executive Orders Threaten Broad Range of Human Rights https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/01/22/trumps-executive-orders-threaten-broad-range-human-rights
[2] What Trump's First Moves Mean for Health and Human Rights - PHR https://phr.org/our-work/resources/what-trumps-first-moves-mean-for-health-and-human-rights/
[3] The Targeted Chaos of Trump's Attacks Against International Human ... https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/the-targeted-chaos-of-trumps-attacks-against-international-human-rights-law-and-justice
[4] The Trump Administration Human Rights Tracker | Helping ... https://trumphumanrightstracker.law.columbia.edu/
[5] Ten Harmful Trump Administration Immigration and Refugee Policies https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/02/20/ten-harmful-trump-administration-immigration-and-refugee-policies
[6] Trump Administration Civil and Human Rights Rollbacks https://civilrights.org/trump-rollbacks/
[7] What do the Trump administration's sanctions on the ICC mean for ... https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2025/03/what-do-the-trump-administrations-sanctions-on-the-icc-mean-for-justice-and-human-rights/
[8] President Trump's Alarming Human Rights Agenda at Home and ... https://www.americanprogress.org/article/president-trumps-alarming-human-rights-agenda-home-abroad/ -
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No, it hasn’t. The US is waging a proxy war that requires the EU to bear the consequences. They even destroyed one of your pipelines, and caused one of the worst environmental disasters in history right off the coast, and Europe didn’t make a peep about it.
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Leftists, of course. Liberals will continue to be in denial for the foreseeable future. Conservatives just dgaf.
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I own guns now. I never did or even considered it until the election results in November.
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It's covered up yeah, most of the republicans are too dumb to realize it.
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It wasn’t even originally an American thing, it’s from the UK.
Exactly. Hence the name distinguishing it as the "American" one.... People (Americans?) are so dumb.
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A superpower by definition cannot really be a rogue state. A "rogue state" is a political label applied by dominant powers to states that defy the international order. For example Iran or North Korea are considered rogue states because they defy the international order. What is "the international order"?
Well, it's the combination post-WW2 institutions created by none other than the US. The UN, IMF, NATO, etc. They set the norms of "legitimate" behavior. When the US participates in military interventions, economic sanctions, and other aggressive actions it's framed as upholding "rules-based order" whereas identical actions by weaker states get them condemned with the label as "rogue states".
To call the US a rogue state is to misunderstand power. Hegemony is the ability to define reality, not just defy it. In this way, the US has always been a rogue state in the sense that it does whatever it wants regardless of the international norms. I mean, just look at the mid 1900s and its actions in Latin America. It was involved in about a dozen states toppling governments and supporting military dictatorships- including sponsoring the genocide of natives in Guatemala.
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A superpower by definition cannot really be a rogue state. A "rogue state" is a political label applied by dominant powers to states that defy the international order. For example Iran or North Korea are considered rogue states because they defy the international order. What is "the international order"?
Well, it's the combination post-WW2 institutions created by none other than the US. The UN, IMF, NATO, etc. They set the norms of "legitimate" behavior. When the US participates in military interventions, economic sanctions, and other aggressive actions it's framed as upholding "rules-based order" whereas identical actions by weaker states get them condemned with the label as "rogue states".
To call the US a rogue state is to misunderstand power. Hegemony is the ability to define reality, not just defy it. In this way, the US has always been a rogue state in the sense that it does whatever it wants regardless of the international norms. I mean, just look at the mid 1900s and its actions in Latin America. It was involved in about a dozen states toppling governments and supporting military dictatorships- including sponsoring the genocide of natives in Guatemala.
Yes, that's true. I'm more concerned with whether US citizens, whose past administrations more or less invented the term, can now recognize for themselves that they are no longer on the side of the "good guys" with this administration at all, but are now the "terrorists" themselves - the very thing that past US administrations denounced (entirely speciously, of course).
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It wasn’t even originally an American thing, it’s from the UK.
Wait, is it just called "Idol" there?
