Lemmy Just Broke the 54k MAU Record Set During the 2023 API Exodus!
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And then in 5-10 years the users will destroy it like everything else on the Internet...
Seriously, though, make me wrong - because this kind of model is so new to me, I don't know, is there anything different about this that will resist it going the way of things that were once good and eventually weren't, like Craigslist and Reddit?
Obviously a lot of Reddit sucks due to how it's run, but let's not overlook that part of its downfall, like with Craigslist, is the users as it grew having no respect for the model. I've been on my way out since well before the API exodus (and yet I was addicted and too lazy until now, that's on me). People posting whatever they want wherever they want and having very little understanding of nuance in language ("oddly satisfying" doesn't just mean "I like this"), misusing downvoting (I know I'm yelling at clouds, but that was where Reddit was doomed from the start to become an echo chamber, and I didn't know if Lemmy is different in that respect - do votes determine visibility here?), moderators becoming more power hungry, and I'm sorry if this is mean, but the userbase trending younger steering content much more to "mah crush, aitah?," fake stories for "points," and I feel the general populace there being more gullible. Not to mention the same comments being made over and over, and I'm not talking about bots, I'm talking about constant "this is the way" and "username checks out."
I've seen so many actual discussions here already that are full of real passion and good points even when they're heated, some lovely user created and has posted around a really through socialist reading list. I've only seen "this is the way" once. Reddit is lazy one-word answers and downvotes. How do we encourage this and discourage that?
Anyway, I rant. This place is great now and will only get better as it grows, but I hope this model will in some way resist that downfall. But I've come to accept that nothing on the Internet is permanent. And also that people are gonna people and if I don't like that, it's on me to leave.
lemmy already has a bunch of echo chambers, I think it's inevitable from the design of a network like this where the user selects what content to view and be served
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a community of people competing to be the most right in every comment section
I think this depends highly on the type of community. (Although clearly I'm doing it to you right now. Sorry.)
Highly political topics and such are the worst, probably. But others where people come because of a shared interest, like a sport or food or animal or something, a hobby, I think tend to be more chill and mellow.
You would think. I still won't go back to the gardening community. And will probably just stop participating in anything around here.
The problem is that there is still to few others than those types. The topic seems secondary. The mellow places are where it's empty.
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lemmy already has a bunch of echo chambers, I think it's inevitable from the design of a network like this where the user selects what content to view and be served
I think it's really important to consume social media/whatever this and Reddit are conscientiously. Be aware you're in an echo chamber and step outside from to time. Sometimes it's just annoying (I was really into the show Mr Robot, and one of my many Reddit rage-quits was just being sick of seeing any speculation about where the show was going that was anything but the accepted popular opinion being downvoted) and sometimes just misleading (we all thought Trump couldn't win), but there are so many ways it sneaks into your consciousness. For me, the tribalist culture wars became really glaring. We hate everyone who drives a car. We hate anyone who has a grass lawn. You can't advocate for something there without making it about hating everyone else. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I firmly believe a lot of that is by design. I'm sure it will bleed over here eventually if there is a large exodus, but I hope there are counter measures.
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You would think. I still won't go back to the gardening community. And will probably just stop participating in anything around here.
The problem is that there is still to few others than those types. The topic seems secondary. The mellow places are where it's empty.
Maybe it also depends on the topic. But there are always gonna be annoying people everywhere you go in life. 🥲
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Its still a shame that I will never recommend this place to anyone I know until the community changes here.
Its a bit chicken and the egg cause we likely need one for the other. But with the users proclivity for bans, and blocks you end up with a user base even smaller and discussion that more feels like a battle to be right most of the time because intellectual superiority is looked up to rather than conversation.
I still think a community of people competing to be the most right in every comment section does not lead to actual community and doesn't even help provide facts or info to most communities when there are not many niches to which people in here can participate in. Objective facts work best not in fandoms but in crafts. Like what glue doesn't melt Styrofoam when doing prop building not which show or game is best.
I may be alone in this but I yearn for "the normies".
Be the change you want to see. Host a instance. Show us how it's done.
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This is great but i feel like we still need some speciality communities that will drive people here. This is an amazing start though
I think we need default instances that new users are put in to stream line the sign up process. Instances with little to no defederation so people can window shop for a instance that reflects their values. Or even just browse.
Looking through a intimidating list of instances all with their own special rules is not for everyone.
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There are dozens of us.
I am one of the proud new users, and this is great to see!
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Be the change you want to see. Host a instance. Show us how it's done.
I should host an instance. About Apache. To learn how to do Apache configs. Then I could host an instance.
Oh wait.
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Be the change you want to see. Host a instance. Show us how it's done.
Spend money I don't have to open myself to attacks for people I already say I dislike that don't like to told what to do at all.
No.
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Just keep posting and being the type of person you want to see as a community member here. The other site was exactly like you described above for a very long time!
I can't be responsible for changing others. That is an unfair request.
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MAU? Mostly Anal Users? Martian Appalachian Upholstery? Mass Ass Underwear? Missing Alligator Utensils? Moldy Apple Uterus? Massive Arctic Uranus?
Most Awesome Users
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Insta-ban!
Are tomato's on pizza ok?
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And then in 5-10 years the users will destroy it like everything else on the Internet...
Seriously, though, make me wrong - because this kind of model is so new to me, I don't know, is there anything different about this that will resist it going the way of things that were once good and eventually weren't, like Craigslist and Reddit?
Obviously a lot of Reddit sucks due to how it's run, but let's not overlook that part of its downfall, like with Craigslist, is the users as it grew having no respect for the model. I've been on my way out since well before the API exodus (and yet I was addicted and too lazy until now, that's on me). People posting whatever they want wherever they want and having very little understanding of nuance in language ("oddly satisfying" doesn't just mean "I like this"), misusing downvoting (I know I'm yelling at clouds, but that was where Reddit was doomed from the start to become an echo chamber, and I didn't know if Lemmy is different in that respect - do votes determine visibility here?), moderators becoming more power hungry, and I'm sorry if this is mean, but the userbase trending younger steering content much more to "mah crush, aitah?," fake stories for "points," and I feel the general populace there being more gullible. Not to mention the same comments being made over and over, and I'm not talking about bots, I'm talking about constant "this is the way" and "username checks out."
I've seen so many actual discussions here already that are full of real passion and good points even when they're heated, some lovely user created and has posted around a really through socialist reading list. I've only seen "this is the way" once. Reddit is lazy one-word answers and downvotes. How do we encourage this and discourage that?
Anyway, I rant. This place is great now and will only get better as it grows, but I hope this model will in some way resist that downfall. But I've come to accept that nothing on the Internet is permanent. And also that people are gonna people and if I don't like that, it's on me to leave.
If your instance gets destroyed, there will be others to join.
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There are dozens of us.
I am one of the proud new users, and this is great to see!
Welcome! It feels fresh to not be on a big tech platform.
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Its still a shame that I will never recommend this place to anyone I know until the community changes here.
Its a bit chicken and the egg cause we likely need one for the other. But with the users proclivity for bans, and blocks you end up with a user base even smaller and discussion that more feels like a battle to be right most of the time because intellectual superiority is looked up to rather than conversation.
I still think a community of people competing to be the most right in every comment section does not lead to actual community and doesn't even help provide facts or info to most communities when there are not many niches to which people in here can participate in. Objective facts work best not in fandoms but in crafts. Like what glue doesn't melt Styrofoam when doing prop building not which show or game is best.
I may be alone in this but I yearn for "the normies".
this is a problem with fediverse in general imho.
the tools admins and users have are blunt (defederate or block). with all sorts of content moderation policies and opinions you will inevitably end up either alienated from everyone or surrounded by people that think and talk just like you.
fediverse does offer many advantages... creating a better online "town square" is just not going to be one of them.
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this is a problem with fediverse in general imho.
the tools admins and users have are blunt (defederate or block). with all sorts of content moderation policies and opinions you will inevitably end up either alienated from everyone or surrounded by people that think and talk just like you.
fediverse does offer many advantages... creating a better online "town square" is just not going to be one of them.
Tool development is one of the things that we're going to have to go that. Thankfully Creative Energy being poured into server software and apps is something that's already happening quite natural even that small user base numbers
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Its still a shame that I will never recommend this place to anyone I know until the community changes here.
Its a bit chicken and the egg cause we likely need one for the other. But with the users proclivity for bans, and blocks you end up with a user base even smaller and discussion that more feels like a battle to be right most of the time because intellectual superiority is looked up to rather than conversation.
I still think a community of people competing to be the most right in every comment section does not lead to actual community and doesn't even help provide facts or info to most communities when there are not many niches to which people in here can participate in. Objective facts work best not in fandoms but in crafts. Like what glue doesn't melt Styrofoam when doing prop building not which show or game is best.
I may be alone in this but I yearn for "the normies".
Me too, but I still prefer this place to reddit. I have the same exact gripe: those that must be the most right. I've just found a lot more of them on reddit than lemmy. I have lost count of the amount of times I start to write something on reddit, then imagine how someone somewhere, from some angle, can decide to be offended if they want to, then just delete the comment. It definitely happens on lemmy too, it's just in my experience it has happened less here, so I have been more willing to type out comments here. It really sucks that this has not been your experience.
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I think we need default instances that new users are put in to stream line the sign up process. Instances with little to no defederation so people can window shop for a instance that reflects their values. Or even just browse.
Looking through a intimidating list of instances all with their own special rules is not for everyone.
I agree, though you'll probably get a lot of pushback on that from Fediverse enthusiasts since it goes against the idea of the decentralised concept and we should "distribute the users more evenly among instances". At least that was the way discussion went on this topic back in 2023.
For the moment I feel like lemm.ee is a fairly solid "default" to recommend, though. Few defederations and great admins, very stable amd large enough to have a populated /all but not the massive behemoth that is .world (which I do agree has gotten too large).
