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Apparently, 12% of Technology Workers Believe that MacOS is based on Linux

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  • R [email protected]

    What would you say determines whether a kernel is a Unix kernel? I believe Linux is as much a Unix kernel as the BSD kernel is, the FreeBSD kernel, the AIX kernel, the System V kernel, etc.

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    What would you say determines whether a kernel is a Unix kernel?

    Not what, who. And the answer is The Open Group,

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      Mostly because Microsoft tries to maintain backwards compatibility to ridiculous extents, and their customers grew accustomed to it so they kinda rely on it, no ?

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      I mean, they do until they don't. They eventually retired 16 bit subsystem, and they are gungho on TPM now. They have always had EOL dates for old OS's too. I'm not entirely sure why they do what they do, I suspect they are too large and unwieldy to operate as an entity with a unified vision.

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        Thank you arse assassin

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        Holy crap, that's the exact post I was talking about! Nice!

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        • S [email protected]

          Huh. That’s interesting. Are the MacOS coreutils incapable or not user-friendly in some way? Or is it more that they’re too different for people who know GNU and BSD coreutils?

          I also wonder if their coreutils are open source. I quickly tried searching here but couldn’t find an answer https://opensource.apple.com/releases/

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          There's command line options that work with BSD or GNU but don't work with MacOS. Here's one example I had to fix a while back: https://github.com/yarnpkg/yarn/issues/1984

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          • cosmiccleric@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

            You're probably the only one, but thank you for saying that. 🙂

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            Nah, I think it's neat as well. Lemmy would be more boring if no user had idiosyncrasies.

            Hell, I've even tagged you with "CC BY-NC-SA 4.0" in my Lemmy client - which means I will confront you if you ever stop doing it.

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            • G [email protected]

              Are humans based on apes or great apes?

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              Humans are great apes. All great apes and lesser apes are apes. Not that it matters in the chain if you read it.

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              • G [email protected]

                He's an anti-woke crusader and bigot. A large chunk (probably most) of his "content" is actually about that.

                ::: spoiler CW all sorts of bigotry
                "Best Alternatives to Woke Software", "Devuan: The Non-Woke Debian Linux Fork", lots of shit like that.

                He loves talking about so-called "reverse racism", he thinks white people are oppressed in US tech.

                Here's a recent one:

                https://lunduke.substack.com/p/meta-ending-del-ending-fact-checking

                They [Meta] are allowing criticism of LGTBQ+blublublub issues, including *snicker* the statement that gay people are mentally ill [...] and they're allowing vaccine skepticism on the platform [...] and it is, I'm not gonna lie, mildly hilarious.
                :::

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                doesnt a free and open source operating system fit "actively attentive to important societal facts and issues" aka not having control of your machine

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                • Y [email protected]

                  Nah, I think it's neat as well. Lemmy would be more boring if no user had idiosyncrasies.

                  Hell, I've even tagged you with "CC BY-NC-SA 4.0" in my Lemmy client - which means I will confront you if you ever stop doing it.

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                  Nah, I think it’s neat as well. Lemmy would be more boring if no user had idiosyncrasies.

                  Kind of a sad state of affairs for us all, that wanting to license your own content would be considered an idiosyncrasy, but I get what you were trying to say. 🙂

                  Hell, I’ve even tagged you with “CC BY-NC-SA 4.0” in my Lemmy client -

                  Well I'm not the first to use it, I learned to use it here from someone else, but open source licensing notoriety is something I can live with. 😜

                  which means I will confront you if you ever stop doing it.

                  Honestly it would be me just leaving Lemmy (again) if the harassment gets to be too much. But I'd rather be here than Reddit, even with the lesser moderation that happens here.

                  I do appreciate your support, thank you. 👍

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                  • umbrella@lemmy.mlU [email protected]

                    .

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                    Because.

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                    • S [email protected]

                      I see no racism in the video posted?

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                      He can't chudpost every time, but I've listened to him talk with an open mind before and in my opinion his occasional insights are overshadowed by his self-important whinging.

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                      • R [email protected]

                        What would you say determines whether a kernel is a Unix kernel? I believe Linux is as much a Unix kernel as the BSD kernel is, the FreeBSD kernel, the AIX kernel, the System V kernel, etc.

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                        1. Code base. It has no relation whatsoever to anything unix. You know the ATT bell labs unix. Unix kernels descend directly from that, Linux doesn't. It was written by this genuine man named Linus lol
                        2. Unix trademark certification that is maintained by the "open group". Linux is not a certified unix, even though it is POSIX compliant.
                        3. POSIX compliance. Linux is POSIX complaint, but that's just how it behaves in terms of APIs and system calls. POSIX complaince doesn't make a system "unix". Linux is not derived from unix at all, its code is its own code, it behaves like unix, but it is not unix. MacOS, BSD and other unix systems are derived from Unix (I know MacOS has taken its own way now, but still, it came from a Unix code base).
                          Tldr; Linux is not unix because it does not descend from AT&T Unix or BSD and it is not UNIX-certified.
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                        • E [email protected]

                          Is a human a type of ape? No.

                          Er... yes, categorically and definitively.

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                          The common, vernacular English word ape, not the version of the term that refers to all Hominoids which is not a common usage outside of scientific communities.

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                          • E [email protected]

                            Is a human a type of ape? No.

                            Er... yes, categorically and definitively.

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                            The common, vernacular English word ape, not the version of the term that refers to all Hominoids which is not a common usage outside of scientific communities.

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                            • L [email protected]

                              Humans are apes.

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                              The common, vernacular English word ape, not the version of the term that refers to all Hominoids which is not a common usage outside of scientific communities.

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                              • cypherpunks@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                                They switched to bash in 2003; in Mac OS X 10.0 through 10.2.x it was tcsh.

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                                I liked tcsh. It was my favourite shell.

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                                • G [email protected]

                                  He's an anti-woke crusader and bigot. A large chunk (probably most) of his "content" is actually about that.

                                  ::: spoiler CW all sorts of bigotry
                                  "Best Alternatives to Woke Software", "Devuan: The Non-Woke Debian Linux Fork", lots of shit like that.

                                  He loves talking about so-called "reverse racism", he thinks white people are oppressed in US tech.

                                  Here's a recent one:

                                  https://lunduke.substack.com/p/meta-ending-del-ending-fact-checking

                                  They [Meta] are allowing criticism of LGTBQ+blublublub issues, including *snicker* the statement that gay people are mentally ill [...] and they're allowing vaccine skepticism on the platform [...] and it is, I'm not gonna lie, mildly hilarious.
                                  :::

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                                  Wow. I thought a couple of his old Linux Sucks talks were kind of funny, but never knew anything about him personally. Kind of sad to learn he's an asshole.

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                                  • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                                    They probably are thinking of the FreeBSD stuff in macOS.

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                                    yeah right, i thought the macos/ios started with a fork of one of the BSDs, which might get confused with linux

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                                    • undefined@lemmy.hogru.chU [email protected]

                                      It is now, but it was bash before.

                                      But in any case once you start doing anything remotely advanced you’ll find the individual command line utilities are wildly different between macOS and Linux. They seem (are?) much closer to FreeBSD than GNU utilities.

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                                      Yea, because Apple is allergic to GPL

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                                        Yea, because Apple is allergic to GPL

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                                        Look I love GPL to death but I’m not going to pretend that every OS vendor on the planet needs to give away everything for free.

                                        You can like two things at once, and in my case I love my walled garden, commercial OS for end-user stuff as well as Linux for networking gear and servers. I used desktop Linux for awhile but at the end of the day I like things like Airdrop, AirPlay and the seamlessness of it all.

                                        Honestly, I like BSD operating systems more so than Linux ones despite the licensing arrangements. Linux is open as hell (obviously) but it’s super disorganized. I haven’t found a package manager I like as much as pkg (especially installing binary packages and compiled from source packages side by side with shared libraries).

                                        Looking forward to being downvoted to hell for having a differing view of Linux than all the recent Windows converts.

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                                        • cosmiccleric@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                                          Also as someone else suggested, look into automation lol

                                          Just so I don't repeat myself...

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                                          I don't see myself doing something that can be easily automated but you do you

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