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Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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  • bilb@lemmy.mlB [email protected]

    Isn't there often increased tire wear particles, though? EDIT: Haha, I guess they mention that although that's somewhat true it's not as bad as brake dust.

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    i think that comes from being heavier but I'm not 100% sure.

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      That's not cleaning, it's polluting less

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      that's every human endeavor

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        That's not cleaning, it's polluting less

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        My thoughts exactly. The title is almost comically misleading. But I was impressed when I saw that they dedicated an entire section of their article to actually explain that shifting to other modes of transport is several times more effective than fleet electrification.

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          tires might need rethought though

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          Okay here‘s my business idea: Tires but metal! Those metal wheels then drive on metal bars to transport groups of pods. Think of a network of rails that passengers can use to easily travel from one place to another. It‘s a closed system that barely interrupts other types of traffic and can even drastically reduce conjunctions by being very space efficient. All electric and much safer than cars too! Did I mention they can go much faster than cars on longer routes? You can even enjoy entertainment or get some work done while you travel!

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            i think that comes from being heavier but I'm not 100% sure.

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            Which is something that can be fixed by simply making smaller vehicles

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              Huh, and I thought electrics produced more total tire wear due to the higher weight.

              https://motorandwheels.com/electric-cars-go-through-tires-faster/

              apparently, the instant torque too...

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                Which is something that can be fixed by simply making smaller vehicles

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                Blasphemy

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                • match@pawb.socialM [email protected]

                  that's every human endeavor

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                  Cleaning up pollution is a human endeavor and it reduces pollution.

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                    Huh, and I thought electrics produced more total tire wear due to the higher weight.

                    https://motorandwheels.com/electric-cars-go-through-tires-faster/

                    apparently, the instant torque too...

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                    How much more do they weight?

                    About that instant torque, you have got to see how some people drive their (ICE) cars.

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                      How much more do they weight?

                      About that instant torque, you have got to see how some people drive their (ICE) cars.

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                      Yeah, not by much actually, just 10 to 15%

                      e.g. https://thedriven.io/2024/05/03/are-evs-really-much-heavier-than-their-ice-equivalents/

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                        Which is something that can be fixed by simply making smaller vehicles

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                        What do you mean? I need my 5 ton off-road monster truck to get the kids to school and pick up some groceries!

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                          Cleaning up pollution is a human endeavor and it reduces pollution.

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                          Humans pollute, pollution needs reducing, ergo we reduce humans. Seems logical to me.

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                            Okay here‘s my business idea: Tires but metal! Those metal wheels then drive on metal bars to transport groups of pods. Think of a network of rails that passengers can use to easily travel from one place to another. It‘s a closed system that barely interrupts other types of traffic and can even drastically reduce conjunctions by being very space efficient. All electric and much safer than cars too! Did I mention they can go much faster than cars on longer routes? You can even enjoy entertainment or get some work done while you travel!

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                            I'm not sure if you're referring to trains/trams or genuinely suggesting that there could be a rail-based system for individual traffic (i.e., people use individual pods without restrictions on start/stop location or time). The latter seems genuinely utopian to me if it can be made to work.

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                              Something like 9/10 of the tire dust and also wear on roads are from trucks.

                              Personal transport is much less. It's not negligible, but the difference between fossil or electric fueled is basically just a talking points. The weight is the cause of increasing tire dust, and modern cars are all heavier than before regardless of fuel.

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                              This is something I noticed too. Some years ago, one of the futuristic aspects of EVs was how silent they were. Meanwhile, where I live, the newest fad seems to be to buy enormous E-SUVs, and I've noticed that I can't tell much of a difference between the conventional and electric versions of these cars in terms of noise (for small cars, the difference is substantial).

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                                Which is something that can be fixed by simply making smaller vehicles

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                                "But isn't that, like, communism?"

                                • the USA, probably
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                                  Which is something that can be fixed by simply making smaller vehicles

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                                  Plug-in hybrids are ideal. They get the cleanliness and efficiency of regen breaking, the efficiency of an electric motor, with the much smaller footprint of a battery 15% the weight of an ev battery. They effectively suppress range anxiety while still heavily incentivizing electricity use instead of gasoline. And when they do run on gasoline in exceptional circumstances, they are running more efficiently than conventional gas cars.

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                                    What do you mean? I need my 5 ton off-road monster truck to get the kids to school and pick up some groceries!

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                                    Yeah, but you also do that one camping trip where you have to drive on a gravel road for like 400 meters (over 1000 foot, can you imagine!?) once every 3 years, so that makes it totally ok buy a literal tank on wheels.

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                                      Huh, and I thought electrics produced more total tire wear due to the higher weight.

                                      https://motorandwheels.com/electric-cars-go-through-tires-faster/

                                      apparently, the instant torque too...

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                                      People generally don't launch their Tesla (or whatever) every time they take off from a red light. Only a small minority does it occasionally, other times they'll just choose a more comfortable way to speed up.

                                      EVs generally incentivise drivers to take it easy to maximise range.

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                                        Yeah, but you also do that one camping trip where you have to drive on a gravel road for like 400 meters (over 1000 foot, can you imagine!?) once every 3 years, so that makes it totally ok buy a literal tank on wheels.

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                                        People wildly underestimate how good modern cars car be. While driving across country in my gfs accord we ended up on a gravel mountain road for several miles. It was so much damn fun, but she was anxious the whole time saying how it wasn't designed for it.

                                        It was a wide, maintained road. We could easily go 35 to 40 mph. It would have for 4 or 5 cars side by side and the whole time we were on it we saw only like 6.

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                                          People wildly underestimate how good modern cars car be. While driving across country in my gfs accord we ended up on a gravel mountain road for several miles. It was so much damn fun, but she was anxious the whole time saying how it wasn't designed for it.

                                          It was a wide, maintained road. We could easily go 35 to 40 mph. It would have for 4 or 5 cars side by side and the whole time we were on it we saw only like 6.

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                                          Cars not designed for roads geez. Tell her all it matters is rock chips.

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