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Don't fix the problem just change the parameters

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  • sommerset@thelemmy.clubS [email protected]

    Analog clocks are just annoying, I support this change. Also let's change format to 24hr format

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    Ironically, I want a 24h analogue clock

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    • remembertheapollo_@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

      This has got to be AI written or cherry picked data. They’re pulling clocks to save a few $ if anything. Old schools used to have synchronized analog systems. I could easily see those things being removed.

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      Really? I never knew any of them were synchronized, that's cool if so. I seem to remember us pulling them off the wall at our schools and changing them twice a year or replacing the batteries. Having them wired with synchronization may be overboard, but it is kind of cool

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        birthdays? so you have a clock with 365 (+¼) minutes?

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        Analog clocks imitate sun dials and of you have amazing eye sight/precision you would only need the hour hand. If the hand is exactly on 3, it's 3 o'clock. If the hand is exactly in the middle between 3 and 4 it's half past 3. If the hand is 4° after 5 it's 04:08. But because our eye sight doesn't have super resolution we just add another hand that makes a full circle when the hour hand moves an hour. And same with seconds. Second hand makes a full circle for 1 minute.

        Back to birthdays - you can do that on the other direction as well but I wouldn't call it a clock, it's a circular calendar. Think about a disk (like a wall clock with only one hand) and seven equal segments. The days of the week, every morning we move the hand to the next day. Another disk with 31 segments (day of the month) and another separate disk with 12 segments. We typically move that one on the first of the month to the next step.

        Now of we discuss events I can point to a segment and even though she is a young kid she immediately gets the scale of things because of something happens in a few hours (let's say she is meeting a friend) I show it to her on the normal analog clock with focus on the hour hand. But if she ask about Christmas I point on the "month" dial and she knows that it takes a very long time for that hand to move.

        Typical analog clocks have all the hands on the same disk (for convenience and because it's compact). Our "child-clock" started originally as an normal analog clock with only the hour hand and is now a normal analog clock with hour and minute hand and three more separate disks for day of the week, day of the month and month of the year.

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          Are you from the US? I'm completely amazed that there are counties we you are almost never exposed to analog clocks. I'm from Europe and analog clocks are everywhere. Every train station, public buildings, churches, clock towers, homes, wrist watches. Heck we even have tons of (but more because of esthetics instead of serious time keeping) sun dials on walls (which the analog clock and the clock wise direction is based on - for the north hemisphere).
          Many appliances/devices have digital clocks but that's not because the are more modern/better but because they are way cheaper to produce and have less moving parts.

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          Seriously! I’m absolutely baffled by the comments here talking about how analog clocks are somehow this bizarre anarchism from the distant past that is just sooooooo difficult to understand. Wtf has been going on over there??

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            Cursive is wayyyy more accessible for lots of people with chronic pain in their arm/hand/wrist. Also helps prevent those conditions for those who have do a lot of hand writing. I dread the day that people will no longer be able to read the least painful way to write or me.

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            If I'm honest with myself my handwriting was always shit. If I was writing you a letter you'd be able to read it, but taking notes in college was all but useless for me. The speed at which you would have to write left me unable to find any of it legible so I was able to take in more information by just sitting down and listening/watching instead of scrambling to figure out what they were talking about now after I wrote down whatever I thought was important prior to that. Professors write fast because they do it all the time, and the amount of time it would take me to read then write what they wrote would overlap the time they spent over the next 15 seconds telling you why it was important. If I wrote down why it's important I'm behind on the next bit of information and scrambling. When a professor posted their notes online so I could review it that way it was so much easier for me. (Makes note taking way easier)

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              thinking is hard

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              But why add unnecessary complexity?
              Like analog clocks are fine, they show time progress in a way digital don't.

              But why read it in that more convoluted way? Like, I can tell you that you have 10100~bin~ seconds to answer some question, and you can tell that's 20 seconds, but why the fuck do it that way. The only time it's "five minutes till quarter to four in the afternoon" rather than 15:40 is when writing an assay, perhaps.

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                Ironically, I want a 24h analogue clock

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                24h analog clocks exist but they are pretty useless because you lose angular resolution. So unless you are a vampire that's up 24/7 a 12 hour wall clock has better angular resolution than a clock with 33% wasted area you'll never use/see because you are asleep

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                • sommerset@thelemmy.clubS [email protected]

                  Analog clocks are just annoying, I support this change. Also let's change format to 24hr format

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                  Why/How are analog clocks annoying?

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                    Really? I never knew any of them were synchronized, that's cool if so. I seem to remember us pulling them off the wall at our schools and changing them twice a year or replacing the batteries. Having them wired with synchronization may be overboard, but it is kind of cool

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                    My highschool was small (graduating class under 50; five small towns combined), and in the 90s, ours were synchronized, just realized I always wondered what they used.

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                      very few continue to use an abacus. analog clocks will still be around for decades

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                      No doubt. I wasn't trying to imply that either one is useless, but things change and new technology takes over. Another person replied to me comparing cursive and typing on a computer. I catch myself thinking that new generations are at a disadvantage because they don't learn the same things I did. But it may not always be necessary that they do. I am of the computer typing generation. I didn't learn to write beautiful cursive, but my life hasn't been negatively impacted even though many people have expressed sympathy for my awful education. I was just trying to say I think it's a rather normal thing for old systems to get phased out of a classroom from time to time. It's not really a good reason to believe that younger generations are doomed. But like I said I fall into that line of thinking myself from time to time.

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                        Teacher here.

                        I'm pretty certain that the only place where my students ever encounter an analog clock is at school.

                        What the actual fuck? Are you not using wrist watches at all at whatever US hole you are a teacher at? Because most of these are analogue.

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                        Why would you use a wristwatch tho?

                        And I'm saying this as a European

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                          Nah let's ditch the analog clocks and instead teach them sundials. That will really stretch their brains.

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                          Analog clocks are mechanical imitations of sun dials. Ever wondered why clockwise is the way it is? It's because the sun moved that way (on the historically a bit more dominant northern hemisphere)

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                            I think removing everything that kids have a bit of a hard time trying to grasp just teaches kids to give up if anything isn't immediately apparent. Its not as much of a waste of time as cursive, and it's to be taught to think in another way.

                            I think that kids "learning how to learn" is really important, especially with how these AI models are stunting like a whole generation of people.

                            This is minor,
                            but I also think less things need electronic displays/components that are hard to recycle and increase dependency on exploiting X country for Y resource. Its also cool to just be able to build a physical mechanism which digital clocks have no real feasible option to do

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                            I just found out my 10yo has been lagging behind in spelling because he's been using speech-to-text on his school issued iPad for class work. He doesn't have to think about it or try sounding it out, so of course an unpracticed in-development skill is waning. It's going to be an interesting parent-teacher meeting coming up.

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                              One part of me wants to feel disappointed that kids aren't learning to read analog clocks, but another part of me thinks there was a time when people grew disappointed that the younger generations stopped learning to use an abacus in favor of digital calculators. I certainly don't want some old geezer giving me shit because I don't want to learn to use an abacus. I also don't want to be that old geezer.

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                              *sigh* everyone always forgets about slide rules.

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                                My highschool was small (graduating class under 50; five small towns combined), and in the 90s, ours were synchronized, just realized I always wondered what they used.

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                                Probably the clocks all used a synchronous motor. It spins baaed on ac current. After juat set the clocks to the right time when you plig them in

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                                  I think removing everything that kids have a bit of a hard time trying to grasp just teaches kids to give up if anything isn't immediately apparent. Its not as much of a waste of time as cursive, and it's to be taught to think in another way.

                                  I think that kids "learning how to learn" is really important, especially with how these AI models are stunting like a whole generation of people.

                                  This is minor,
                                  but I also think less things need electronic displays/components that are hard to recycle and increase dependency on exploiting X country for Y resource. Its also cool to just be able to build a physical mechanism which digital clocks have no real feasible option to do

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                                  Its also cool to just be able to build a physical mechanism which digital clocks have no real feasible option to do

                                  i am delighted to be able to introduce you to flip clocks.

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                                    Analogue clocks are a great example of kids having to understand a concept and apply it. And it's simple enough that anyone can learn it.

                                    I often see examples where children are required to memorize a set solution, instead of showing understanding and reaching the solutions themselves.

                                    These clocks are somewhat dated, but removing them just feels like another symptom of a failing educational system.

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                                    I remember getting a compliment more then once jn school. I was good t talong what i learned in once class and applying it to another

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                                      Probably the clocks all used a synchronous motor. It spins baaed on ac current. After juat set the clocks to the right time when you plig them in

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                                      Thank you, I’ll need to look into it, it was obvious they were synced because they got adjusted for daylight savings from somewhere and they all slowly changed time over the course of an hour if I recall correctly, it always fascinated me.

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                                        *sigh* everyone always forgets about slide rules.

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                                        Beat me to it. If only my dad had saves his

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                                          Probably the clocks all used a synchronous motor. It spins baaed on ac current. After juat set the clocks to the right time when you plig them in

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                                          Would that not mean if the power goes out after say a hurricane, the all the clocks have to be reset manually or can they somehow change them all remotely? A mechanism going threw the walls to change them from a single location sounds like a lot of work to get a synchronized clock

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