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  3. Vibe Coders might be serious, but I cannot take them seriously, especially when they say "It is a must-have skill".

Vibe Coders might be serious, but I cannot take them seriously, especially when they say "It is a must-have skill".

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    Exactly. It's like vibe coders are not interested in writing the best code possible. They just want to write the code and not understand what goes on when a program is run.

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    I'd guess most of them aren't even capable of actually writing functional and good code themselves. And never will be.

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    • F [email protected]

      Just to clarify, I google a lot while coding, but one thing I learnt from my engineering degree is that is there is no 'best' solution.

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      Oh gawds, I thouht the vid was a takedown, based on the initial ridiculous clip. but no he's actually serious.

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      • F [email protected]

        Just to clarify, I google a lot while coding, but one thing I learnt from my engineering degree is that is there is no 'best' solution.

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        Is "vibe coding" a real thing? I thought it was a meme.

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        • flamekebab@piefed.socialF [email protected]

          Is "vibe coding" a real thing? I thought it was a meme.

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          Yup. It is real. There are people who genuinely believe, it is the future of coding. That is why I posted the tutorial. /s

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          • F [email protected]

            Just to clarify, I google a lot while coding, but one thing I learnt from my engineering degree is that is there is no 'best' solution.

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            How are any of the produced "apps" actually useful and not just buggy copies of better things that exist?

            Am I missing something or is this just for generic, low tech "I need a website" use cases?

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            • D [email protected]

              How are any of the produced "apps" actually useful and not just buggy copies of better things that exist?

              Am I missing something or is this just for generic, low tech "I need a website" use cases?

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              Am I missing something or is this just for generic, low tech “I need a website” use cases?

              We already have tons of prebuilt websites available to slot someone's shitty home business into too. AI slop is just a worse version of the things we already had.

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              • D [email protected]

                How are any of the produced "apps" actually useful and not just buggy copies of better things that exist?

                Am I missing something or is this just for generic, low tech "I need a website" use cases?

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                I did use AI for my first project to automate my coworkers job. But that was me learning how to set these things up with C#. I did the coding. ChatGpt told me if it was possible or not and how. Something someone with knowledge could make in a week I build in 3 months and refined into a very usable app.

                But I didn't just let the AI do the thinking of what I should have the app do.

                Edit: we did replace that guy with a person. But in the mean time that software I wrote helped my non technical boss work with us in the meantime. It does have its merrits.

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                • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comD [email protected]

                  Oh gawds, I thouht the vid was a takedown, based on the initial ridiculous clip. but no he's actually serious.

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                  I didn't watch any of it, but clicked a few points in time to see if there was some kind of reveal and came across this gem at 1:52:52

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                  • flamekebab@piefed.socialF [email protected]

                    Is "vibe coding" a real thing? I thought it was a meme.

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                    My LinkedIn has recently become flooded with Suggested Posts from 3rd degree connections who have "Vibe Coding Guru" listed as their job and post lots of stuff saying "people who mock Vibe Coding just don't get it, and you too will be left behind if you don't subscribe to my newsletter (which ChatGPT writes for me)"

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                    • spankmonkey@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                      I didn't watch any of it, but clicked a few points in time to see if there was some kind of reveal and came across this gem at 1:52:52

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                      That's pretty accurate.

                      I'll bet our vibe coder even thought that "spaghetti" meant a fully baked app.

                      I can write good spaghetti without an LLM though, just it probably works the first time. And I hope to god that I don't use that spaghetti for any real world use.

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                      • F [email protected]

                        Just to clarify, I google a lot while coding, but one thing I learnt from my engineering degree is that is there is no 'best' solution.

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                        I use AI for work and personal projects, sometimes even letting it generate file structures for me but damn does it ever need a lot of tweaking after generation to both work and be maintainable.

                        I don’t know how anything it spits out even works for those who just purely vibe code since it’s usually either wrong or broken.

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                        • P [email protected]

                          That's pretty accurate.

                          I'll bet our vibe coder even thought that "spaghetti" meant a fully baked app.

                          I can write good spaghetti without an LLM though, just it probably works the first time. And I hope to god that I don't use that spaghetti for any real world use.

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                          "Spaghetti is a great dish so why would spaghetti code be bad?" - Vibe Coder

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                          • F [email protected]

                            Exactly. It's like vibe coders are not interested in writing the best code possible. They just want to write the code and not understand what goes on when a program is run.

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                            Vibe coders wishfully think AI could be the end product. AI is a tool, it should never be the final product nor exposed to the user.

                            It's a fancy autocomplete to throw ideas against, you still need to know what the fuck you're doing, and vibe coders have no clue. This means we're now concerned about a rise in vulnerable code.

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                            • N [email protected]

                              I use AI for work and personal projects, sometimes even letting it generate file structures for me but damn does it ever need a lot of tweaking after generation to both work and be maintainable.

                              I don’t know how anything it spits out even works for those who just purely vibe code since it’s usually either wrong or broken.

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                              legitimate question.

                              how do you expect humans to maintain a project that didn't base its patterns and organization on human thought patterns and organizational strategies?

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                              • G [email protected]

                                legitimate question.

                                how do you expect humans to maintain a project that didn't base its patterns and organization on human thought patterns and organizational strategies?

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                                I don’t. Like I said, it needs a lot of tweaking and the only time I have it do more than laying down the base for a function is at the beginning of a new project that’s not too important (like personal projects). I end up rewriting nearly everything anyway but it helps with getting over that initial overwhelmed feeling when staring in a blank file

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                                • F [email protected]

                                  Just to clarify, I google a lot while coding, but one thing I learnt from my engineering degree is that is there is no 'best' solution.

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                                  Of course there's a best solution.. it's whatever you end up with

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                                  • azzu@lemm.eeA [email protected]

                                    Of course there's a best solution.. it's whatever you end up with

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                                    I go for a good enough solution. I know better solutions exist but I'm limited by time and empathy.

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                                    • C [email protected]

                                      I go for a good enough solution. I know better solutions exist but I'm limited by time and empathy.

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                                      Better a good enough solution now that the best solution few weeks later.

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                                      • F [email protected]

                                        Just to clarify, I google a lot while coding, but one thing I learnt from my engineering degree is that is there is no 'best' solution.

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                                        "Coding" vs "programming" is such a great litmus test for whether someone actually knows what they're doing

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                                        • N [email protected]

                                          I use AI for work and personal projects, sometimes even letting it generate file structures for me but damn does it ever need a lot of tweaking after generation to both work and be maintainable.

                                          I don’t know how anything it spits out even works for those who just purely vibe code since it’s usually either wrong or broken.

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                                          Because you understand that there is more to code than getting it to do what needs to be done, you can objectively judge code on more than one criteria. Meanwhile, vibe coders think that the concerns about structure and maintainability can be short circuited. No wonder, managers and vibe coders think alike.

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