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  • M [email protected]

    You could use an llm with an mcp to the local filesystem and hope it can do it for you

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    Or I could not. Ever.

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    • diegantobass@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

      Or I could not. Ever.

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      I know there is all of that AI hate, which i'm all for. But taking models to run locally does not benefit the AI companies. If anything this is the way to make something that is actually good out of that hot mess.

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      • M [email protected]

        I know there is all of that AI hate, which i'm all for. But taking models to run locally does not benefit the AI companies. If anything this is the way to make something that is actually good out of that hot mess.

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        You're right, but I'd need a graphic card < money.tar.gzip

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        • diegantobass@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

          This. I'm not that old yet, but the realization hit me in the face pretty hard. And all the more reasons to sort it out. And definitely simplify. Or "make it usable" let's say.

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          You don't even have to be old. Death or serious illness/injury can affect us at any age, and it would suck if your family lost access to all the self-hosted photos and videos, for example.

          "Make it usable" is a great idea.

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            You don't even have to be old. Death or serious illness/injury can affect us at any age, and it would suck if your family lost access to all the self-hosted photos and videos, for example.

            "Make it usable" is a great idea.

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            Scaryyyy !

            I just very recently discovered that bitwarden (vaultwarden) has this perfect feature like a "trusted contact" (not sure) where you can choose a person that can request access to your password vault, and if you DON'T answer in X days (configurable), they get access.

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            • diegantobass@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

              Self-hosting services has been a life-changer. And I thank this community for helping me a lot recently. Not only did I learn a lot more about linux, network and docker, but it helped me understand better how platforms and advertising just f*cked up the internet I grew up with.

              But I wonder: do any of you hate how self-hosting services like photo- or document-management systems, or even a simple rss tool, forces you to sort your stuff out, and put your decades old files in order?!

              I'm in the process of migrating my web browser bookmarks to linkding because it's a GREAT tool. But I have like 2k websites to manualy check wether they're still there, wonder at how cool they still are, tag properly and archive with SingleFile!

              And that's just ONE service...

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              Just 2k in bookmarks? Pffft! Those are rookie numbers. Check back when you have 59k bookmarks. Currently there are 1.1k in the broken links category. The vast majority of the links are topics I research or have interest in, exterior of self-hosting. I do not consume TV data, but I do a ton of reading. I find that reading gives me better retention of the topic, and it's rather easy to highlight & search for cross comparisons, and further research. Ever since I was a wee lad, barely able to read, I have had an insatiable lust for knowing. It is this that drives the link counts. LOL

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              • diegantobass@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                Self-hosting services has been a life-changer. And I thank this community for helping me a lot recently. Not only did I learn a lot more about linux, network and docker, but it helped me understand better how platforms and advertising just f*cked up the internet I grew up with.

                But I wonder: do any of you hate how self-hosting services like photo- or document-management systems, or even a simple rss tool, forces you to sort your stuff out, and put your decades old files in order?!

                I'm in the process of migrating my web browser bookmarks to linkding because it's a GREAT tool. But I have like 2k websites to manualy check wether they're still there, wonder at how cool they still are, tag properly and archive with SingleFile!

                And that's just ONE service...

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                I hate having to run my own backups. That's been a massively hidden cost behind self hosting that I did not originally account for. Anything sufficiently robust is expensive and anything cheap is unreliable (at least at the scales of data I have, 4k+ RAW videos and photos are massive).

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                • irmadlad@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

                  Just 2k in bookmarks? Pffft! Those are rookie numbers. Check back when you have 59k bookmarks. Currently there are 1.1k in the broken links category. The vast majority of the links are topics I research or have interest in, exterior of self-hosting. I do not consume TV data, but I do a ton of reading. I find that reading gives me better retention of the topic, and it's rather easy to highlight & search for cross comparisons, and further research. Ever since I was a wee lad, barely able to read, I have had an insatiable lust for knowing. It is this that drives the link counts. LOL

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                  This is so foreign to me. I never bookmark anything ever. I leave a few tabs open until I complete that task, read that article or decide I don't care anymore.

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                  • downhomechunk@midwest.socialD [email protected]

                    This is so foreign to me. I never bookmark anything ever. I leave a few tabs open until I complete that task, read that article or decide I don't care anymore.

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                    I digitally collect odd things, selfhosted in several apps depending on if it's for 'read later and decide' or preserve.. For one, I like the etymology of words or phrases and how they've evolved in meaning, and in some instances bastardized the meaning. For another, I collect political cartoons from any country. I am fascinated how some of the ones I've read about, have changed some people's minds. Things I find educational. Things that are totally polar opposite me. You'd be surprised what you learn even tho you may still remain opposed. So these are a back up of a backup which gets backed up, lol, It's the source files if you will, and I archive them in another app however I still keep the source as a backstop.

                    I'll end with this as an example since this might be misconstrued as not about selfhosting, As a wee lad, someone donated a set of Encyclopedia Britannica to us. I read those cover to cover many times. So, with the help of self hosting and dedicated devs around the globe, thank you so very much for being so generous with your skills and time, I can continue my quest to know.

                    TL:DR: I'm just a weird, old man.

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                    • irmadlad@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

                      I digitally collect odd things, selfhosted in several apps depending on if it's for 'read later and decide' or preserve.. For one, I like the etymology of words or phrases and how they've evolved in meaning, and in some instances bastardized the meaning. For another, I collect political cartoons from any country. I am fascinated how some of the ones I've read about, have changed some people's minds. Things I find educational. Things that are totally polar opposite me. You'd be surprised what you learn even tho you may still remain opposed. So these are a back up of a backup which gets backed up, lol, It's the source files if you will, and I archive them in another app however I still keep the source as a backstop.

                      I'll end with this as an example since this might be misconstrued as not about selfhosting, As a wee lad, someone donated a set of Encyclopedia Britannica to us. I read those cover to cover many times. So, with the help of self hosting and dedicated devs around the globe, thank you so very much for being so generous with your skills and time, I can continue my quest to know.

                      TL:DR: I'm just a weird, old man.

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                      I'm the same! I just don't keep track of where all the useless knowledge in my head comes from.

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                      • downhomechunk@midwest.socialD [email protected]

                        I'm the same! I just don't keep track of where all the useless knowledge in my head comes from.

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                        When you're 70, you need all the help in the remembering dept you can get.

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                        • diegantobass@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                          Self-hosting services has been a life-changer. And I thank this community for helping me a lot recently. Not only did I learn a lot more about linux, network and docker, but it helped me understand better how platforms and advertising just f*cked up the internet I grew up with.

                          But I wonder: do any of you hate how self-hosting services like photo- or document-management systems, or even a simple rss tool, forces you to sort your stuff out, and put your decades old files in order?!

                          I'm in the process of migrating my web browser bookmarks to linkding because it's a GREAT tool. But I have like 2k websites to manualy check wether they're still there, wonder at how cool they still are, tag properly and archive with SingleFile!

                          And that's just ONE service...

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                          There's also the slightly-less-hidden cost.

                          Electricity to run your home server(s).

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                          • P [email protected]

                            I hate having to run my own backups. That's been a massively hidden cost behind self hosting that I did not originally account for. Anything sufficiently robust is expensive and anything cheap is unreliable (at least at the scales of data I have, 4k+ RAW videos and photos are massive).

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                            Does it still count as "self hosting" if one of your backups uses something like restic to push to b2 or hetzner storage boxes? It's not consumer point and click.

                            I have one copy going there, and one going to a $50 thinkstation usff connected to a single external hard drive. It's not raid, but if it dies, it just gets quickly replaced while I rely on the hosted backup.

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                            • downhomechunk@midwest.socialD [email protected]

                              This is so foreign to me. I never bookmark anything ever. I leave a few tabs open until I complete that task, read that article or decide I don't care anymore.

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                              I found that going back to bookmarking (and subscribing to RSS) is the best way to pull away from the algorithm-feed-trough of the social media websites and SEO bullshit. As I got more and more bookmarks of interesting sites, and found lots of feeds to subscribe too, I found I naturally gravitated away from the corporate web. It's a requirement now if you are interested at all in indie-web type stuff, forums for esoteric hobbies or software communities, or personal web pages of interesting people -those things just don't show up on search engines or social media anymore.

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                              • diegantobass@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                Scaryyyy !

                                I just very recently discovered that bitwarden (vaultwarden) has this perfect feature like a "trusted contact" (not sure) where you can choose a person that can request access to your password vault, and if you DON'T answer in X days (configurable), they get access.

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                                And you can put a secure note in there that has all the instructions necessary for them to access anything they might need (either by taking that note to someone skilled enough to follow the instructions, or by making it dead simple enough for them to just extract everything to an empty external ntfs hard drive in a simple file hierarchy).

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                                • T [email protected]

                                  Yes and no. A lot of sorting and optimizing processes can be done via scripts. For example, I had chatgpt generate one that finds audio streams in videos that are not in the language I need. Manual verification and then let another script remove the remaining lists streams that I don't need.

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                                  Yeah, I don't bother sorting and organizing old files/bookmarks/whatever. Automatic tagging and full-text search solve that need. I try to keep recent stuff organized nicely though.

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                                  • diegantobass@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                    You're right, but I'd need a graphic card < money.tar.gzip

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                                    I used phi3:mini-4k for tagging all my bookmarks and don't think it was any worse than a big model for that kind of job. It will run on a 10 year old cpu and a few gb of ram. (note: ai tagging of bookmarks isn't that great, regardless, but it helps with search).

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                                    • diegantobass@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                      Self-hosting services has been a life-changer. And I thank this community for helping me a lot recently. Not only did I learn a lot more about linux, network and docker, but it helped me understand better how platforms and advertising just f*cked up the internet I grew up with.

                                      But I wonder: do any of you hate how self-hosting services like photo- or document-management systems, or even a simple rss tool, forces you to sort your stuff out, and put your decades old files in order?!

                                      I'm in the process of migrating my web browser bookmarks to linkding because it's a GREAT tool. But I have like 2k websites to manualy check wether they're still there, wonder at how cool they still are, tag properly and archive with SingleFile!

                                      And that's just ONE service...

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                                      I just moved 20k bookmarks from Pocket to Readeck, and can sympathize lol. A lot of the links are dead. I found a cleanup script I'm going to run but it's still a huge curation challenge

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                                      • diegantobass@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                        Self-hosting services has been a life-changer. And I thank this community for helping me a lot recently. Not only did I learn a lot more about linux, network and docker, but it helped me understand better how platforms and advertising just f*cked up the internet I grew up with.

                                        But I wonder: do any of you hate how self-hosting services like photo- or document-management systems, or even a simple rss tool, forces you to sort your stuff out, and put your decades old files in order?!

                                        I'm in the process of migrating my web browser bookmarks to linkding because it's a GREAT tool. But I have like 2k websites to manualy check wether they're still there, wonder at how cool they still are, tag properly and archive with SingleFile!

                                        And that's just ONE service...

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                                        I thought the hidden cost is my power bill by having a PC run 24/7....

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                                          I thought the hidden cost is my power bill by having a PC run 24/7....

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                                          I condensed down from a power hungry tower server to a couple of thinkstations and a nas. Much nicer on the power.

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