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Mutual aid spam is becoming a problem on the Fediverse.

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  • S [email protected]

    Yep I've already gotten a couple messages like this with an image of a random lady attached:

    Hi, I’m Nicole! I’m a proud Polish girl from Toronto (29 y/o)

    I’m currently taking the pre-health sciences program at George Brown College hoping to get into the medical field someday!

    You can add me on Friendica: [REDACTED]

    and join my discord here: [REDACTED]

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    I only ever got one. I feel so rejected!

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      Isn't asthma medication pretty cheap and long lasting? From what little I know an inhaler can last many months. Also if they can't afford that, surely they have state medical insurance to help with it? Just seems so scammy.

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      Also if they can’t afford that, surely they have state medical insurance

      Ha! No, depending on the state, there are tons of barriers, means-testing, work requirements, mandated classes they might not be able to attend (due to childcare/lack of transportation), etc.

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        Isn't asthma medication pretty cheap and long lasting? From what little I know an inhaler can last many months. Also if they can't afford that, surely they have state medical insurance to help with it? Just seems so scammy.

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        depends on how often you have to use it. also, most states won't give you insurance if you aren't below the poverty level. if you have a full-time job, even if you're barely making it paycheck to paycheck, you're probably ineligible for medicaid.

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        • S [email protected]

          Yep I've already gotten a couple messages like this with an image of a random lady attached:

          Hi, I’m Nicole! I’m a proud Polish girl from Toronto (29 y/o)

          I’m currently taking the pre-health sciences program at George Brown College hoping to get into the medical field someday!

          You can add me on Friendica: [REDACTED]

          and join my discord here: [REDACTED]

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          #44

          Hi, I'm Nicole wizardbeard! I'm a proud aromatic Polish Abyssal girl tube sock with googly eyes from Toronto the space between your walls (29 y/o 50 ft)

          I’m currently taking the pre-health sciences program at George Brown College socks from your dryer hoping to get into the medical field find a broodmother for the spawn that will form the ranks of my holy army someday!

          You can't add me on Friendica. *It's far too late for that. Far far too late to do anything to stop this.

          Your socks may be returned to you but they may never be the same.*

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          • samus12345@lemm.eeS [email protected]

            I only ever got one. I feel so rejected!

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            I got one about an hour after I made my Mastodon account. found me pretty fucking fast.

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              @atomicpoet @fediverse

              Thankfully that would almost certainly be a scam in my country and many others.

              I am a asthmatic. Well controlled by a thrice daily cocktail of medicines. All free at the point of need. Paid for by our taxes.

              The true scandal is the countrues that make this plea possible.

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              #46

              whatever country you live in, it's already better than the US.

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              • samus12345@lemm.eeS [email protected]

                I only ever got one. I feel so rejected!

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                #47

                😭 I didn't get any. Why don't Polish egirls like me?

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                • atomicpoet@atomicpoet.orgA [email protected]

                  Mutual aid spam is becoming a problem on the Fediverse.

                  And to be sure, I'm not against mutual aid. What I am against is spam.

                  This person has not verified who she is -- or even if the profile picture is hers. Additional research on her name states she is a scammer with a record of grifting. I am therefore skeptical that any donations will help anyone in need.

                  Folks, please be cautious with mutual aid requests. Yes, people sometimes need help. But people also lie.

                  @[email protected]

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                  Yeah, mutual aid works on the local level or in insular communities like long-term discord groups with a tight group of regular members. With community mutual aid, I'm generally in favor of just taking people at their word. If they say they need help, give them help. No need to interrogate them like the food stamp office will. You prevent people from abusing the system by simply not granting endless requests from the same person. Or if someone needs severe aid, at that point you can start actually verifying their story, helping them access government benefits, helping them find employment, etc.

                  But that kind of open approach works for in-person aid. It doesn't work for anonymous online aid, where someone can use bots to spin up hundreds of convincing profiles each begging for money.

                  I just don't think mutual aid works well in an online context. The only online context it works in is among communities like small discord groups where people know each other for years. But on a lemmy or mastadon-type service? Mutual aid is impractical. Any people asking for aid should be directed to local groups that can help them in person.

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                  • atomicpoet@atomicpoet.orgA [email protected]

                    Mutual aid spam is becoming a problem on the Fediverse.

                    And to be sure, I'm not against mutual aid. What I am against is spam.

                    This person has not verified who she is -- or even if the profile picture is hers. Additional research on her name states she is a scammer with a record of grifting. I am therefore skeptical that any donations will help anyone in need.

                    Folks, please be cautious with mutual aid requests. Yes, people sometimes need help. But people also lie.

                    @[email protected]

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                    #49

                    How is this mutual aid spam? This is by definition not mutual. It's begging.

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                    • E [email protected]

                      Isn't asthma medication pretty cheap and long lasting? From what little I know an inhaler can last many months. Also if they can't afford that, surely they have state medical insurance to help with it? Just seems so scammy.

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                      my inhaler is $70 per month with insurance. though it's a bit different from an albuterol inhaler, mine is a dry powder steroid thing, and it has a VERY short 30 day shelf life once opened.

                      was $10 last year with insurance, but of course that shit changes every year..

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                      • atomicpoet@atomicpoet.orgA [email protected]

                        Mutual aid spam is becoming a problem on the Fediverse.

                        And to be sure, I'm not against mutual aid. What I am against is spam.

                        This person has not verified who she is -- or even if the profile picture is hers. Additional research on her name states she is a scammer with a record of grifting. I am therefore skeptical that any donations will help anyone in need.

                        Folks, please be cautious with mutual aid requests. Yes, people sometimes need help. But people also lie.

                        @[email protected]

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                        There is an entire sub on here somewhere that is only for mutual aid. The sob stories in there are batshit crazy.

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                        • povoq@slrpnk.netP [email protected]

                          https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/dean-spade-solidarity-not-charity

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                          Can you just tell me lmao i dont wanna read an essay

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                          • xnx@slrpnk.netX [email protected]

                            Can you just tell me lmao i dont wanna read an essay

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                            The title already gives it away 😜

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                            • xnx@slrpnk.netX [email protected]

                              Can you just tell me lmao i dont wanna read an essay

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                              Well you asked a question with a complicated answer. Dean Spade is a prolific and respected writer and organizer, and his thoughts on the matter are relatively concise compared to the volumes upon volumes written by his predecessors in anarchist thought.

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                              • L [email protected]

                                How is this mutual aid spam? This is by definition not mutual. It's begging.

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                                Because let's ignore the topic and focus on the wording.

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                                • atomicpoet@atomicpoet.orgA [email protected]

                                  Mutual aid spam is becoming a problem on the Fediverse.

                                  And to be sure, I'm not against mutual aid. What I am against is spam.

                                  This person has not verified who she is -- or even if the profile picture is hers. Additional research on her name states she is a scammer with a record of grifting. I am therefore skeptical that any donations will help anyone in need.

                                  Folks, please be cautious with mutual aid requests. Yes, people sometimes need help. But people also lie.

                                  @[email protected]

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                                  People do solicit donations, as on just about every public forum. I really wouldn't call it a problem on lemmy at this point, but a rule against it except in communities where it's encouraged wouldn't be a terrible idea. Somebody who is interested in doing it could start a Please Help community specifically for these requests, requiring some form of verification. Seems like running it could turn into a lot of work tho.

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                                  • L [email protected]

                                    Because let's ignore the topic and focus on the wording.

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                                    #57

                                    They might not have known what mutual aid is and you explained it very well with the first two sentences. The last sentence doesn't serve any useful purpose if they didn't know.

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                                    • W [email protected]

                                      Yeah, mutual aid works on the local level or in insular communities like long-term discord groups with a tight group of regular members. With community mutual aid, I'm generally in favor of just taking people at their word. If they say they need help, give them help. No need to interrogate them like the food stamp office will. You prevent people from abusing the system by simply not granting endless requests from the same person. Or if someone needs severe aid, at that point you can start actually verifying their story, helping them access government benefits, helping them find employment, etc.

                                      But that kind of open approach works for in-person aid. It doesn't work for anonymous online aid, where someone can use bots to spin up hundreds of convincing profiles each begging for money.

                                      I just don't think mutual aid works well in an online context. The only online context it works in is among communities like small discord groups where people know each other for years. But on a lemmy or mastadon-type service? Mutual aid is impractical. Any people asking for aid should be directed to local groups that can help them in person.

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                                      #58

                                      I agree, and I believe that tapping in to and participating in local networks and groups whether they be fully or partially online and/or in person is beneficial for both ones self and ones community. It seems to me it will be these networks that make much of the difference between survival of large populations and large scale disasters. Community organizing is so important.

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                                      • punchshark@lemmy.caP [email protected]

                                        Who is seriously stupid enough to fall for this?

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                                        Dear comrade,

                                        the fascist Melon Muskrat needs to be destroyed. The last couple of weeks I have been practicing propaganda of the deed and marked Tesla swasticars appropriately all over my state. Here's a photo with proof of a recent artwork of mine.

                                        Fighting this essential antifascist fight in these times of techno-feudal-nazi takeover costs me a lot of time and also money for supplies like spray cans, bus tickets, burner phones, and now also legal costs.

                                        Last week the fucking pigs (ACAB) caught me when a petit bourgeois snitch reported me and now I'm in legal trouble. The class traitors now want to squeeze 3500 $ from me.

                                        Your solidarity and mutual aid is essential for me and my comrades to continue the fight against tyranny.

                                        Antifascist greetings

                                        Monero: 83XjbrEebhaZjgyVYZUjsZ4cF43UhQNHKBd6UUqPwmEuGLEoDGs67ebMg7nDLnj65bCsqKfPwGzuR3a1318u4fQbMWV8U4x

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                                        • T [email protected]

                                          Well you asked a question with a complicated answer. Dean Spade is a prolific and respected writer and organizer, and his thoughts on the matter are relatively concise compared to the volumes upon volumes written by his predecessors in anarchist thought.

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                                          im curious about they differentiate it themselves as a person not how an academic defines it.

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