France and Germany, in joint collaboration, have developed a Google Docs alternative - and its awesome! (Netherlands are currently onboarded)
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Doesn't do collaborative online editing and that seems what this is about. But there are foss alternatives already, collabora/nextcloud, cryptpad etc.
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There's onlyoffice for cloud based office
Onlyoffice seems a little slack on the security and updates. I saw the warnings in the desktop package, have they made sure the online offerings are secure?
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I have been using collaboration with Microsoft products for decades with little issue.
You've had 60+ people all in a single Excel spreadsheet on Sharepoint all making changes at the exact same moment and never once had a issue of a document lock or file corruption? Its okay to have a preference for one product over the other, but when you're blinded by brand loyalty where you can see no wrong with your preferred product, it makes you lose credibility.
Just chipping in here but I gather 60 concurrent editors is pushing what most people have experienced - so thanks for your perspective!
Most I've dealt with is about 5 (in Excell) - and the actual changes were not really being made frequently or by all parties. The worst part was the project manager altering the view and fucking up everyone else's perspective (even though each had their own?!) - Classic PM stuff.
Does Sheets and the rest of the Google suite handle this well?
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Just chipping in here but I gather 60 concurrent editors is pushing what most people have experienced - so thanks for your perspective!
Most I've dealt with is about 5 (in Excell) - and the actual changes were not really being made frequently or by all parties. The worst part was the project manager altering the view and fucking up everyone else's perspective (even though each had their own?!) - Classic PM stuff.
Does Sheets and the rest of the Google suite handle this well?
Does Sheets and the rest of the Google suite handle this well?
It does.
I'll also be the first to say that many of these use cases should not be using a spreadsheet for the kind of work that is occurring and a database is much more appropriate, but we know "should" rarely is present in modern companies or enterprises.
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Doesn't do collaborative online editing and that seems what this is about. But there are foss alternatives already, collabora/nextcloud, cryptpad etc.
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It looks closer to the markdown style of formatting though, and I doubt it has page formatting, or other more advanced formatting, or extensions, or a large selection of fonts. Honestly, even though docs has pageless formatting now, most people don't use it when they should, making everything unnecessary harder to read, so this will be better in that regard at least. This is probably good enough for 95% of what people use Docs for, but I wouldn't call it a replacement.
I haven't used it because I don't have a French government account, so correct me if I'm wrong about any of that.
Edit: it looks like it only has 1 font and no page formatting
There is a public demo instance. The link and test credentials are on the GitHub page.
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Is there a German-hosted instance? The URL https://docs.numerique.gouv.fr/login/ is making me wanna barf and no way I'm clicking it to risk seeing more Fr*nch.
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I'm in the engineering business. We have a PDM system that we check-in copies of component 3D models, PDF drawings and DOCs. Once your team has collaborated enough, you have a copy...once a week/day/hour depending on your preference. That way you can collaborate and keep frozen records and rev controlled documents.
Right. But you can’t do that in a live system like google docs. You can have a workflow to export copies, but the live doc is the one bigquery and linked docs utilize to function against your app. It’s actually a feature of the same tooling that makes using them like a database possible that causes it to not be versionable. So even if you export copies as you update it, you can’t move the system back to those copies without breaking other parts of the system.
Other systems for modeling data have better version control for running parallel versions of models if you need to recover how data had been constructed in an older state. It’s an incredibly bad idea to do this with Google docs at scale
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k8s is overkill for a lot of homelabs. Using docker compose is a fraction of that complexity
There are many reasons to use k8s. Managing multiple nodes is one good one. But more importantly, k8s gives you an api-driven runtime environment. It’s really not comparable to docker compose.
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no office software requires admin eighter unless you want to install it for all users
it's often a pain to install in computers that don't have it by default, like school computers or similar, but alright, didn't know it!
+some people don't like installing stuff
+you can't collaborate with other people on the default LibreOffice I iirc
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I guess I don't mind if I can self host the server. If I can't I have no interest in touching it.
For sure! self hosting is the way
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Onlyoffice seems a little slack on the security and updates. I saw the warnings in the desktop package, have they made sure the online offerings are secure?
If there are issues like this, sounds like a good goal for a country that wants to divest from US tech companies.
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Is there a German-hosted instance? The URL https://docs.numerique.gouv.fr/login/ is making me wanna barf and no way I'm clicking it to risk seeing more Fr*nch.
It's okay, you can curse on the internet.
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It says in one of the first paragraphs, that its open-source
Ah, I missed that detall!
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It's pretty easy if you use NextCloud with the AIO image, but if you're doing anything fancier than that, strap in because there aren't many decent tutorials.
Even nextcloud-not-AIO offers a way to install the server of office suites through the settings of the admin account all in the web GUI. I've chosen onlyoffice but it could have been nextcloud docs or collabora (and soon maybe, this thing)
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Is there a German-hosted instance? The URL https://docs.numerique.gouv.fr/login/ is making me wanna barf and no way I'm clicking it to risk seeing more Fr*nch.
lol what did the French do to you?
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Really cool. I tried to sign up but you have to be part of an officially recognized organization in France and input their registration number as part of the process.
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For sure! self hosting is the way
True: self hosting is beneficial, Foss office suite is great to empower us, users... etc.
The point of the software presented isn't aimed at regular computer users that would enjoy a bit of independence, it looks more like something aimed at the enterprise administrative level that people may stumble upon while searching for a document (who needs versioning apart from filename extensions if you alone work on the documents).See it as: you may find , download and use updated packaged software on github but in reality it's really a tool aimed at devs before being a software repository for end users.
I see this as software mainly for the French or German state administration being made public for others to enrich, integrate... Like Olvid is a matrix based E2E encrypted, real authenticated identity based messenger made available to the public once the French government financed it's development for it's own use.
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Really cool. I tried to sign up but you have to be part of an officially recognized organization in France and input their registration number as part of the process.
I definitely don't want the government attached to my personal files, in any country.
